i left my book in san francisco or at least i will next week. i'm going to be in san francisco to discuss my new book, "small acts of courage" this coming tuesday, may 14 at noon pacific time at the commonwealth club of california in san francisco. you can get tickets at their website commonwealthclub.org. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with katie phang begins right now. tonight, michael cohen gets called out. what the judge in donald trump's trial is saying about a star witness ahead of his testimony next week. plus a new report from the state department criticizing

the war in gaza as israel prepares to invade rafah. and trump famously doesn't like spending money. but what happens when his campaign starts cutting corners? why republicans are sounding the alarm as the 11th hour gets underway on this friday night. good evening, i'm katie phang in for stephanie ruhle. we are now 179 days from the election, and 15 days into the trump hush money trial. with stormy daniels done testifying, day 15 is mostly about records. but things will get heated again next week. today prosecutors are revealing their star witness, michael cohen, will take the stand on monday and faceoff against his former boss. my colleague has more. >> reporter: tonight nbc news learning from multiple sources, prosecutors recall their star witness on monday. he called himself donald

trump's fixer. and now a vocal trump critic. cohen unleashing on his old boss and book and on social media. spotted online this week wearing a t-shirt depicting mr. trump behind bars. the judge today directing prosecutors to inform cohen that the judge is asking him to refrain from making any statements about the case or mr. trump, but not placing a gag order on cohen. mr. trump remains under barring him. >> it is a disgracious. it's not a case, there is no crime. there is no crime that they failed to show. >> reporter: cohen, a critical witness for the prosecution as the jury has now read his text messages, heard his voice, and seen evidence that he paid stormy daniels $130,000 just days before the 2016 election, so she couldn't derail the campaign. the defense says her story of sex with mr. trump was false, a shakedown for money, brokered

by cohen, making his testimony and credibility on the stand essential. mr. trump has pleaded not guilty to the charges of illegally disguising his reimbursement checks to cohen, his former attorney as legal expenses to cover his tracks. the faceoff likely to be one of the dramatics of the trial. cohen comes with baggage including previous convictions for campaign finance violations and lying under oath. meanwhile today, the jury hearing more from those that sat outside the oval office confirming mr. trump met with cohen at the white house in 2017, where prosecutors say they devised their reimbursement scheme, but testified the former president signed checks without reviewing them first. contrary to what mr. trump said in his book and other witnesses set at trial. >> and with that, the leadoff panel, former assistant attorney at the manhattan d.a.'s office and also the

legal analyst. nbc legal analyst and criminal defense attorney and hays brown. my thanks to all of you for getting us started this hour. and katherine, let's talk about the fact that today did not include the marquee names or testimony, but you know as former prosecutors and trial lawyers, it's the details that matter. we got that through records. we had custodians of records that were coming from at&t and verizon and some time that was taken in front of the jury to get these entered into evidence. do you think they will be able to appreciate the nuances about having these records in once they go into the jury room where they are able to see the evidence? >> yeah, they will understand it on monday when it is true and when he testifies about phone calls that he made and phone calls that he received, text messages, so they will understand why that boring

stuff was really important and it is the most important part of this case are the records, the checks and the entry because those are the 34 counts of falsifying business records to donald trump is charged with. so as you said, the details are important. porn star, that's very interesting. but that's not what this case is about. >> hays, to katherine's point, the highlight of the day and let me geek out a little bit. what's your summary that was entered into evidence? that summary was kind of for those that have been critical about the detours perhaps that you would call it taken with stormy daniels that the summary allowed to be entered into evidence that the jury will have in had its possession, linked to 34 individual felony counts to the specific invoices general ledger entries, and checks that were signed by donald trump, that were issued by the trump organization in terms of excuse me, the donald

trump account and the personal account. do you think that the distilling of the information made sense for the prosecution to do at this time, coming on the heels of something as big as stormy daniels testimony? >> yeah, absolutely. i think that it was important for the overarcking narrative to establish with stormy daniels why these payments exist in the first place. and then use this evidence to lay out the ground work. here is the connection and the connection points between the scandalous testimony that you just heard and all of this boring, but necessary stuff to show what exactly this crime was. you would show that clip in the beginning of the hour of trump claiming there was no crime and no crime. this is the crime of him falsifying to cover up these payments. i feel the fact that it was necessary for him to cover his tracks is something that the jury understands. they understand the idea of having to hide the evidence of

the crime. it this is then the prosecution laying out. here is how all of this fits together. it's really important that they did this at this stage before michael cohen testifies to really wrap it all up. >> danny, i need you to put your criminal defense hat on. that is exactly what you do. i want to put you in this particular spot in terms of the questions. last night former federal prosecutor who writes for politico, we got into a back and forth about his estimate that he does not think that the prosecution has even kind of crossed the finish line yet when it comes to be able to approve the felony in this case. he says it is all great and stellar, but the fact that trump was trying to hide all of this in order to make sure it's not going to damage his campaign is not what this case is all about. would you agree? that they have not met the elements of the felonies that have been charged?

>> and i think katherine and are are in agreement. the notion that there were records that were falsified. and have they shown knowledge trump's knowledge. they don't have it quite yet, but michael cone will go the give represent station, saying donald trump ordered to do this. but what aggravates it too a felony that the government has not told us what crime they're using as that crime to bump it up to a felony. it might be election law or tax violations. but either way the argument trump is trying in may. if the jury believes that or if the jury is just convicted. taking a step back is not like

a robbery case. something they could write their mind theory. it has never been applied before. certainly this application to bump it in as a felony, that might be a hard sell to the jury. >> katherine, i want to stand on this because their expectation is always important. especially as lawyers, it's it key, but we have a responsibility when we do these shows and talk about how that is the real thing of what happens in the courtroom. there were motions to dismiss that were filed by donald trump. but at the stage of the motion to dismiss, the legal standard was easier for the prosecution. now when the prosecution rests their case, which we anticipate according to the prosecution, could be at the end of next

week. the defense will file for the case. and talk about why that is going to be a different legal analysis that judge is going to have to do once they file for a motion of acquittal. >> well, grand jury when i know in other states, they are few if they have known that a felony was there, period? trial standard is -- i can't remember the last time we were in manhattan when a judge granted the defense's motion. i do agree some of our lawyers were saying which crime has fate that donald trump intended to conceal. they had not explicitly

presented that evidence to the jury yet, and there are two more witnesses. >> so hays, one of the witnesses we're not going to be hearing from isage weisselberg. the guy has pled guilty. but the issue that presented his severance agreement would be admissible. he gets paid out three different payments, but he's not allowed to disparage the trump organization and donald trump. there's a back of forth about whether or not it would make sense to subpoena him from rutgers, to be considering the existence of the agreement. but he seems to have been, it's been a big part of the introduction. what kind of helped close that loop for the prosecution. >> i think so. i think what they're intending

to show, the reason i can't trust what he has to say. i believe the daily beast framed it as him being another hush money payment recipient that he's basically getting this pay out staying silent about what he knows about the crimes. neither the prosecution nor defense is interesting. the pact that they even loaded the idea of it and neither side really seemed to have put that into motion at all. he is also serving reichers because he pled guilty to perjury. considering the fact he has also got credibility issues for

lying, under oath to congress. why they would hesitate to put someone else on the stand, what instead, lean on this severance document instead. >> yeah, but you know, danny, you and i have had to deal with putting flip code defendants on. let's look at that lens, right? i think that michael cohen is on the flip code defendant, cooperating with the prosecution. i mean he's going to be subpoenaed to show up. but the point is he knows what happened in that room; right? in those rooms. he's saying this is what donald trump agreed to do with david pecker and me with allen weisselberg's knowledge. how do you if you're michael cohen's lawyer, danny. how do you council him going into his testimony on monday, knowing that the judge has set it as well to the prosecution. to please not talk about this case outside in public. >> here is the advice i would

give them and the same advice i would have given to stormy daniels. just answer the question that's asked. a lot of folks think she, but instead fighting back on every single leading question. that played well to many outside the courtroom. when there is every single question on cross, they don't help anyone. they don't help the side they are trying to some degree that could have happened to story. if stormy daniels did that, i suspect michael cohen will do it a lot more. and that i know this is your time in the sun and just listen to the question and answer the questions asked and it is what it is and you have credibility problems where it is built up

the rest of their case and it is not all on your back and just answer the questions asked. >> stormy daniels to their point last night after testifying real men respond to testimony by being sworn in and taking the stand in court. oh, wait, nevermind. putting aside whether or not you'll support the fact they tweeted that out and that we have to fast forward this analysis a little bit, right? and they rest their case next week. all eyes will turn to the defense as we know constitutionally that they have no obligation to do anything or have that burden of proof. but you and i both know too that it is very hard to ignore all the allegations that have been made and personal in nature that it actually does almost look to donald trump to have to take the stand to explain away a lot of those things he's been accused of. >> it is just not going to

happen. i can't imagine. and if it were to happen, then he'll be convicted. defendants often are their worst enemies, you know, sometimes you listen to the people's case, and they rest and you're like well, they didn't really prove this, so we're not going to do a thing or say a thing and hope they do the right thing. so he's going to speak publicly. he can't trash witnesses or jurors. but what he does outside the courtroom, that is their way of testifying. >> and danny, this last question will go to you, danny. you actively practiced criminal defense. you've got clients that are probably chopping at the bit like donald trump to take the stand. the problem you have though is this. donald trump from day one in the public court of the opinion told the world that he is going to testify. it's not i'll think about it. if it's on a thursday, maybe i'll do it. it's i'm going to testify. i have nothing to hide.

i'm going to tell the truth. we have also seen trump's lawyers haven't done a fantastic job of saying no to him because there have been representations made during the course of even this trial that make you scratch your head as a lawyer. does donald trump take a stand, danny? >> let me take out my list that people don't remember he was saying i'm going to testify. kicking this football. and then when he does, no one will do anything. i'm the only one saying it and i will be a legend if he does. if he doesn't ever want to, then forget that i said it. i don't believe he'll end up testifying and here is why. psychologically you'll get all kinds of white-collar individuals who say they are telling the story. as the case goes on, they get a

reality check. they will be subjected to the crucible of cross-examination, the rules are slanted against the witness, and in favor of the attorney and really nothing good could come of it. the only reason that i hold out is because we as that right to do it and who knows what leks in the mind of donald trump. >> maybe he'll have rick scouting the stand for him and testify as his surrogate. danny cervallis, i appreciate as always. when we come back, with the legal bills adding up for donald trump. his team is looking for ways to trim the fat inside a leaner campaign. and later forget mtg and mike johnson. we'll talk about the biggest feud of the week. maybe somebody can explain it to me. the 11th hour just getting underway on this friday night.

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with less than six months until the election, some republicans in key swing states are concerned about the trump campaign's ground game or lack thereof. according to new reporting from the washington post. the campaign is reportedly much leaner than it was four years ago with less real estate, fewer employees, and greater

dependency on outside groups. while those are worried, they insist it is all about quality over quantity. joining me now is msnbc political analyst and democratic former maryland congresswoman, donna edwards. my thanks to both of you for joining me. republicans in the key states, they are clearly worried, saying there is no strategy being shared or no ground operations to speak of. in response to the trump team saying it is all a part of the plan, reminding people saying just trust the plan. so what do you think though, susan, about this strategy for our presidential campaign that could be decided by literally just tens of thousands of voters in just a small handful of states? >> well, the campaign says we are running a leaner operation, we'll be better off. it means they don't have that campaign cash to spend. well stop, that's what they are basically saying. we know that they are not going

to be playing their traditional role because it is now controlled by donald trump. the traditional role being do we get out to vote, working on the organization with the ground, working with the senate candidates, the congressional candidates, building the ground swell of enthusiasm around the republican candidates. the trump people saying we will do it and they are not very good at it. but the other thing is when they start saying we are going to leave it to outside groups, they are meant to basically bash the opponent. you need your own people to run ground operations. so if they are relying on the outside groups, they were lost. >> you know, this kind of has the kind of energy. for example, earlier this week, trump's 18-year-old son, barron trump, who flies below the radar when it comes to any public exposure, was named a

delegate for the state of florida. but today his mother, melania, came out saying barron is declining to be a delegate because of prior commitments. i mean let's put aside barron and melania because they don't get involved in this necessarily. but donna, what does it tell you though when it comes to competency to run the rnc and additional detail, that there is always this constant instinct for the trump family or trump to push his family members into official positions within the party. like let me be clear. i'm not crying over this, but i find it fascinating the hell with organizations or experience. >> well, this is a team that didn't know how to run a campaign in 2016. they didn't know what nay were doing in 2020, and they still don't know what they are doing in 2024. it's complete chaos. look, i've been a candidate, i've been on the ballot, and i never wanted to be a part of a campaign that had to go lean. that meant to me that i just didn't have enough money to run the campaign. so i think you see, you know, the idea they are not going to

open campaign offices and they will do this all by volunteers. even if you have volunteers, you've got to have somebody that coordinates them to get them out into the field. tells them what to do that organizes them. and the trump team doesn't have any of that. in contrast to biden, last week announced they're open up 500 offices around the country. staffing up in all the key state, and they are getting their candidates out on the field. there is one that they are not sure what to call it. >> when you're answering my first question, as donna just noted, president biden has the cash to be able to campaign and they will have a huge advantage in the race. that will allow the outside

groups to raise and spend money from wealthy donors without limit. it's kind of around your contribution limits. >> yes. but they have existed in different ways. which group could show the unlimited number it's the fundraising, not to get too much in the weeds, but there has been before. they don't want the outside groups necessarily doing their work. they want to get a lot of legal bills. there's a lot of talk coming if from the trump campaign because they know they're in trouble on the ground. >> donna, when you hear the word leaner, i think that's also, you know, another way of saying cash strapped. one of the ways trump could raise money is campaigning and

doing more rallies, right? pieces of his group. tomorrow donald trump is holding the first campaign event in about a week. it's a rally in new jersey. trump could be holding more campaigns events on his day. so donna, what is the rational behind the decision to do more rallies or campaign events? >> well. it's interesting thing that's been happening since 2016, these rallies are not very effective and very expensive to put on. on the one hand, the campaign doesn't have a lot of money to put on rallies. on the other hand, they don't seem to have the mechanisms in place in order to raise money. so i think it will be really hard even if trump get out there on the days they have.

you know, wednesday or the weekend, i think it still makes it really hard for them to raise money because they have been strapped all along. the biden campaign is just chugging along. >> this year's dnc will be the summer in chicago. a lot of democrats that are worried already that gate is a protest movement could make this sense. filled with a lot of protests. demonstrators disrupting the proceeding. and it's finally on the side of the prozesters. >> that cut down on live -- excuse me, extend for any kind of opportunities that usually happen at these conventions. do you think that would actually help, the hybrids would help to minimize the disruptions? would that be the right move? >> well, i don't think it would

help. at the end of the day, the protesters will be out there protesting. and on the whole host of issues, and right now, the democrats have every reason to be extremely concerned because the mayor is really on the sort of the protesters out there in force. when you look at what happened. the city had a lot of blowback because of the way they treated their protesters. when you have a lot of people gathered and you have, you know, every media outlet in the world and there is disruption, it's never a good look. but with the democrats, it is also important for them to project and they are not afraid of the protesters at all. frankly i think it is all too long any way, so they could do a lot more, not your air time.

>> it's not just the trump campaign that's cutting the fat. and they would recommend the dnc, trim the programming as well. susan del percio, thank you for being here this evening. when we come back, the biden administration is calling out israel over the war in gaza. there's a new report that came out today on israel's tactics. we'll get into that when the 11th hour continues.

the biden administration is sharing new concerns about the war in gaza. there is reasonable evidence israel has violated international humanitarian law. and they also said israel has not violated u.s. weapons agreement. earlier this week, biden said he would stop sending certain weapons to israel if it launches a major invasion of rafah. for more, i want to welcome michael beshloff. it's a privilege to have you spend some time with us. >> me too. thank you so much. >> thank you. now let's start kind of with the general premise to talk about the existing u.s.-israeli relationship. i mean it's 76 years old and counting. but the tension seems to be rising. can you lend our viewers some

perspective about this relationship? >> sure, yep, that's very after i they they need to remember this as israel on the united states, getting long, being close. and joined at the hip. and that is sometimes true, but a lot of times, it's not. after every major work in, 1982. the united states and israel oftentimes. and israeli would listen carefully to what an american president says. >> so president biden has been called out for months by critics of the war. now he's under far from supporters. take a listen to how bernie sanders defended president biden. >> one of my republican colleagues even said, "joe biden object blue favors a

hamas victory over israel. it's just that simple." and it sounds amusing given the fact that for the last 40 years, there's probably been nobody here in washington that strongly support israel rather than joe biden as a senator and a president. >> i mean michael, i get it. biden is kind of a dang, if he's not in that weird position, but he does have a credit record and a long one at that. does that work in his favor when it comes to his relations with israel and netanyahu? >> i think bernie sanders is absolutely right and anyone who criticizes biden for not having enough sensitivity about the ride of the jewish people and israel to insist. just don't know what they are

talking about. the rising danger of anti- semitism in the united states. and you mentioned someone who is a close friend of his and also a close friend of mine, who is no longer with us. >> the only member of the holocaust and got elected in san mateo, california. one of the thing things i heard from joe biden decades ago was of all the people who were not jewish, whom i know, the one who understand the plight of the jewish people and history and the importance of israel more than anyone else was sad, joe biden. >> so the republicans have, of course, latched on to the campus protests, blaming them on president biden. how have protest movements like the ones we're witnessing now and historically. how have they generally impacted the presidential

races? >> peaceful protests, civil rights, vietnam, other causes that have been essential to our history and to progress. and making this a day of society. but i think on the trump side, there's a little bit of an assumption with 1968. richard nixon was running, george wallace was running from the south. they had both said the cities are not safe. the campuses are run by people who are out of control and radical. plus vice president humphries was the democratic candidate that year and a part of the johnson administration that has lost control on the world. ships didn't confiscate it. can't handle the war in vietnam. some of the rhetoric that you hear from the trump advisers would suggest that they are hoping and maybe making an effort to exacerbate the danger in 2024 where there will be danger in the streets, and

these protests will go on especially at the democratic convention in chicago, where the anti-war vietnam protesters of 1968 got into this bloody confrontation with police. but americans should be prepared, because there's a possibility that it came be a part of the strategy. >> michael, i've been asking you this question and it might be a little bit broad. i know if there is anybody who would narrow the answer, it will be you. i mean we ask ourselves often when we're looking at what's happening over in israel and gaza, with hamas. we have the see. we the see yo political conference and cry cease that is nothing new about this kind of time that we're in that just seems to exacerbate it so much. we asked what is being on the right side of history on something like this? >> well, compare it to 30 years ago. you know, we were all lucky as

i'm sure you could barely remember the 1990s. i remember them very well. bill clinton was president. there was one super power in the world of the united states. you didn't have problems like this because no one could compete with us. now there are all sorts of powers for people who not only want to be as powerful as we are or potentially more. but they could change by making trouble in the world. when they entered afghanistan and they took hostages from the united states and the embassy in tehran where they made it look hard as he was. all i'm saying is that americans have to prepare themselves for this danger and possibility and not get too rattled. do not let other countries or

other forces happen. >> including those that are internally threatening. >> absolutely. >> american democracy by trying to have a second run at the oval office, i.i. thank you as always. like i said, i asked you a big question, but you definitely brought us home. i appreciate you as well. >> thank you so much. >> same here, coming up next, we will take a step back. the topics all over our collective social media feeds this week when the 11th hour continues.

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well, let's head into the weekend breaking down the top stories and pop culture that even is talking about. there's the controversy around netflix's hit show, "baby reindeer," you just saw a clip of it. the feud between drake and kendrick lamar. and apple's upsetting new ipad pro ad that destroys beloved items like books and musical instruments. here to discuss eric deggens, also an adjunct professor at duke university. so eric, let's start with "baby reindeer." one of the top shows on netflix right now about a woman stalking.

i mean talking is about understatement. a struggling comedian. now the woman claiming to be who the stalker character is based on is going public. she actually sat down for an interview with piers morgan. i mean what is going on with this lady and this? >> every step the story takes it gets more and more complicated. the first irony is that the piece itself, the tv show itself is a statement about the damaging affects of stalking and how terrible it could be to be the victim of such a thing. and inspired all the people to go out and stalk this woman until they figured out who she was. you know, the daily mail did another interview with a woman named fiona harvey ended up talking to piers morgan and

felt that morgan had manipulated her. my sense is you're not going to get to the bottom of a story that is as complex as this with a simple sit-down interview in a tv studio. piers morgan had to know that. so you know, the interview with her felt very exploitive when you would watch it and it did not really reveal a whole lot. and the woman did not make a great case that this show had a lot of inaccuracies about her, other than her processed stations. so this is a very tangled and complex situation because it says it is based on a true story. and they have tried to keep people from trying to figure out who the characters are based on because there are other characters that will do things like commit sexual assaults and some people have been accused of being the people that those characters are based on and the guy had to come out to say no, you have the wrong people. so it is best for fans of the show to stop trying to figure out who the person is and sort

of maybe take the message of the show to heart a little bit more. >> yeah, like stop sleuthing. you've got to help me figure this out because i don't know what this is about. drake and kendrick lamar. i did try to learn through tiktok and trust me that did not work. these are arguably two of the biggest entertainers in the world. they're in a feud and things are escalating to say something about it. so here is just the taste of some of the jabs that have been thrown. take a quick listen. eric? >> you know you're a master manipulator and a habitual liar too. >> we already know it's twenty v one, we already know why you went number one. it's clearly because of the boy. >> sorry, so i was getting to the music, but i don't understand what this is about. there is this beef, but where is the beef and what is the

beef, eric? >> so these two artists have had a long simmering tension between themselves for years. there was a sense that kendrick lamar did a guest appearance on an album that also featured a couple of rappers that used to collaborate with drake. and they said some things that were taken as insults to drake. then drake decided to release a track where he kind of spoke up for himself, and then the two artists have been sort of dropping different tracks. you know, i saw one person try to say this is sort of like prince and michael jackson sort of going at it, but to me it felt more like justin timberlake and elvis costello going at it. you basically have a rapper in drake who is commercialically successful, but gets criticized for being shallow and not being

authentic. then someone like kendrick lamar who has won a pulitzer and has been considered a much better rapper, but not commercially as successful as drake. so the two of them have been fighting. they produce this music, but also sort of exposed a trend in black pop culture, where we have artists tearing each other down and creating this almost schoolyard fight mentality where people gather around to kind of watch the battle. it's not just these two artists that i'm thinking about when katt williams went on the podcast and said all of these insulting things about other black comics, and then these comics had to go on other podcasts and defend themselves or talk about it or maybe insult him back. and you have fans who are wondering, are all these artists tearing each other down to actually build up the culture and build up the art. so that is the one thing, you know, that kind of troubles me about seeing this and for

anyone who says that black twitter might be dead because elon musk is taking over twitter and changed it and that is all you have to do when they were dropping and folks were on it and there were so much there and that people are really interested in it. >> and sir eric, we have to go. but two things one, this is not east coast, west coast. number two, it ain't tupac is all i have to say. thank you so much for being here, and we will be right back. [sfx] water lapping.

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that does it for us tonight. excuse me. be sure to tune in to the katie phang show tomorrow. transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins me to talk about philadelphia. a part of the larger initiative to improve areas that have been disproportionately by red lining. that's tomorrow at 12:00 eastern right here on msnbc. on that note, i want to wish you a good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late and being with us. we'll see you this weekend. . she has a magnetic quality. her graven hair. the intense brooding look to her. you are on the edge