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her uncle's unhappy. i'm sensing an underlying issue. it's t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit... unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock...” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it's not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. signing off of our special, "trump on trial." keep it locked right here on msnbc. the third week of testimony in donald trump's historic criminal trial has come to a close, setting the stage for what could be the end of the prosecution's case next week
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but not before another high- profile witness, former trump fixer, michael cohen. we saw dramatic witness testimony from stormy daniels who would not be intimidated by lawyers out of telling her account of the allegedly counter -- encounter with trump. today's testimony did not include any star witnesses, but it was important in setting the stage for next week. the trump lawyer turned enemy, michael cohen, will take the witness stand monday. he was the fixer of the $130,000 cash money payment to stormy daniels before the presidential election of 2016. we began the trial today and continued testimony from trump's former director of oval office operations. she remains loyal to trump despite being fired in 2019 after she reportedly told reporters she did not want to be photographed with trump's daughter, tiffany, because of
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her weight and used her testimony to paint donald trump as a hard-working, family man. a picture that was unrecognizable to pretty much anyone else who has ever heard of donald trump. his lawyer sought to establish trump's concern about the stormy daniels story had to do with his family, but it backfired. they agreed that trump was concerned that the story would upset his family but that they never actually told her that. "i don't believe he specifically said that, but i could tell the whole situation was very unpleasant." the prosecution objected to the second part of her answer, which was stricken from the record. donald trump has sat, largely alone in court without most of his family members for 15 days. eric trump has made a few appearances but no one else from the trump family has sat in court with trump at any point, including his wife, to whom he was married when prosecutors say he slept with
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stormy daniels. a decade later, he paid her off to save his presidential campaign. prosecutors spent the rest of the day calling a series of custodial witnesses to introduce records into evidence that had direct ties to michael cullen. before trial began, prosecutors alleged michael cohen spoke to trump on the phone on october 26, 2016, shortly before opening a bank account for his shell company, essential consultants, llc, which was invented to funnel money to stormy daniels attorney at the time, keith davidson. call logs presented today show donald trump and michael cohen . they had two phone calls on the morning of october 26, 2016, hours before this bank account was created. prosecutors also got to the actual charges, 34 felony counts for falsifying business records and for the first time, the district attorney's office but each of the allegedly false
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records on display. 11 invoices, 12 vouchers, and 11 checks, all relating to the reimbursement of michael cohen. michael cohen is the key witness in donald trump's criminal trial. michael cohen did all of trump's dirty work before becoming his enemy. the testimony is problematic for prosecution because by his own admission, michael cohen has lied in court and has lied to the media and has pleaded guilty to lying to congress, but the paper trail is not lying and the prosecution is already put forward phone records, inc. statements, to support michael cohen story about how and why he paid $130,000 to stormy daniels. >> trump is a con man. he asked me to pay off an adult home star with whom he had an affair and to lie about it to his wife.
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which i did. mr. trump directed me to use my personal funding from a health -- a home equity line of credit to avoid any money being traced back to him that could negatively impact his campaign. >> at the end of proceedings, trump's attorney asked judge merchan to impose a gag order on michael cohen. judge merchan denied the request until the prosecutors "to communicate to michael cohen that the judge is asking him to refrain from making any more statements about this case , about mr. trump, or anything related to this case or the process. that comes from the bench. leading off our discussion, adam, who has been in court today and will be there every day for us. he is a fellow at just security, and with katie feng, host of road show saturdays on msnbc. if you like what she has to
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say, she will be back at 11:00 eastern. good evening, thank you for joining us. katie, as the prosecution gets closer and closer to wrapping up, what is it look like? >> they got across the finish line a lot more quickly than we thought. recall that at the beginning, we thought this would last asked weeks, if not more. if you are sitting in that jury, you are happy to hear, well they didn't, but you will be happy to hear when they say the state rest its case. why is that important? x days three days of court, monday, tuesday, and thursday, reportedly friday for baron trump's graduation. if that's the case and you started with david pecker and end with michael cohen, it's a tried and true philosophy of privacy recency. you start strong but and strong and you make the most impactful
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presentation and with michael cohen, we know we got to take him , warts and all, but he has testified in a way that has been corroborated by the paper trail that does not lie. the prosecution promised in opening a clean, tight, criminology supported by the evidence and what we is the documentary evidence and testimonial evidence. >> a clean, tight chronology that follows the evidence and that's important in any trial, but as it relates to michael cohen, here's the difficulty. he has been shown to have perjured himself. he has been open about it, written books about it, and the point is that because he has lied in the past, is he not lying in this instance? >> one thing that has been said a lot about testimony about michael cohen, people pointed out that folks have denigrated michael cohen. that understates it. he has been roasted for this, and let's review the testimony
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of hope hicks. she said, when asked whether it would be out of character for michael cohen to just do a favor, to pay the money on trump's behalf, would it be out of character? she said she didn't know michael cohen to be charitable or selfish -- selfless. one thing that must be said about this kind of testimony, it turns one of michael cohen's vulnerabilities into an asset. you have to trust this guy because he is totally selfish and he would never do this on trump's behalf, out of the goodness of his heart. another thing said in testimony , with keith davidson, in any event, "gina called me up to tell me someone called me and was aggressive and threatened to sue me, but i would like to tell you to call this jerk back."
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the prosecutor of joshua stein glass said "i hate to ask it this way, but who was it?" michael cohen. i believe the prosecutor did not hate to ask it that way. it's a way to say, yes, michael cohen has these vulnerabilities but it's these very vulnerabilities that shows you can trust him along with, of course, the wealth of corroborating evidence, the phone records, and in addition, there was another custodial witness showing trump's tweet, showing that this was the arrangement. and one more thing that i want to quickly make a point of, at the beginning of the trial, todd blanche made a strong that in saying that the $420,000 were not reimbursements. we have a third piece of evidence, a third admission from trump saying that it was a reimbursement bid he said that twice before. >> katie feng, michael cohen is crucial to this case, and him,
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the prosecution maintaining his integrity as a witness is crucial for all of the reasons we just discussed, but the biggest story was stormy daniels, and i would love to get your evaluation of how she performed. >> stormy daniels went in, and a lot of people are making big assumptions and judgments about she is because of her professional choices. listen, if that's what you think, that's what you think, but in a court of law, when you have a person who takes an oath to tell the truth and they say in the witness and, that oath is the same for every person regardless of what you choose to do for your job. i think what backfired for the defense was, you got me be using a female lawyer would maybe take the edge off aggressive cross-examination, and i've done as a trial lawyer. i've been the one who had to cross-examine a female witness, but in this instance, it backfired because to shame
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stormy daniels was a huge mistake. why? it further offers the idea that that is why donald trump wanted to hide it from america, right? it was interesting, because adams point, sometimes you take a weakness and pivot it and make it extreme and in this instance, there is an insinuation, if not outright suggestion, that there was something flooded stormy daniels because of what she does for a living so of course that would be the reason someone like donald trump would want to hide that so it would not hurt his campaign. people like stormy daniels and michael cohen, like them or not, they are flawed or not, they create those bridges that are necessary for the prosecution to link things, to make the story makes sense. when both sides got in opening and talked about promises made, bet your bottom dollar that they paid attention to the promises made by prosecution and defense. when you get to closing and both sides get to make the argument to the jury, that prosecution will weave it all
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together and it makes more sense for the prosecution. >> was stormy daniels and michael cohen, the soul and -- the similarity is like that the defense would like to undermine them because of character or pass to ask, or what stormy daniels does for a living. she seemed remarkably at ease, whether or not you wish to believe her or not, or what you think about her, her demeanor in court seemed to support her credibility. >> absolutely. she was cool and confident. when she started testimony, one of the interesting things, when she started her testimony she was nervous. she had to be told to slow down during the direct examination. when susan necklace got up there, that is when she was cool, confident, in her element and you could see her slide back in her mind, quit after quit, very witty. i think that this is, if she
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got the experience, got the cool, collective nests from experience, lookout for that was michael cohen. he's been to this rodeo before. we've talked before during the civil fard -- civil fraud trial point he testified. he knows what the defense wants. >> and he shows up on our shows very often and will always fests to what he's done, he's comfortable with that, so no one is going to surprise michael cohen, with oh, you know you did this, you lied to congress . he is chapter and verse about what he did. >> you know what, look, for someone like michael cohen, this is truly the end of it, right? there may be other issues that come up for him later on, but this is what he has been waiting for, this is what all that testimony was for, everything he has done to make sure he has done his redemption tour. this is what it is for but it does not mean the entire case
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rest on michael cohen. that's a huge fallacy that the defense will go into thinking as well as a lot of people in the american public, but the prosecution does not completely rely wholesale on michael cohen. it's not the linchpin for that case because there's so much more independent objective corroborating evidence that has nothing to do with michael cohen , that we have seen come in the relatively innocuous witnesses, cell phone records, banking records, et cetera. can you knock it out of your mind the essential consultant fallacy with alan westerberg? why take out a heloc unless you're doing it for trump? >> we printed it out. there are documents. there's nothing like a trial that actually has financial documents in it to help you understand. thank you. i feel so much smarter from this as i always do from our conversations. katie feng has more coverage ahead. coming up, defendant trump
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attacked the criminal justice system them of the nation he hopes to lead once again. his lies continue to be a threat to democracy and we will discuss that and more with tim snyder, yale history professor, after this break. break. that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. (bell ringing) someone needs to customize and save hundreds with liberty mutual! (inaudible sounds) (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ ( ♪ ♪ )
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yesterday was just the latest opportunity for the supreme court to issue its decision on whether donald trump is immune from prosecution for crimes he's accused of committing while
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having been president including attempting to overturn a democratic election. it's an idea antithetical to the american ethos that no one, not even the president, is above the law, yet some of the conservative justices on the supreme court seemed open to this idea. every day that the supreme court fails to reject this absurd argument is helping donald trump get the immunity he desperately wants because it's a late -- it delays the effort to hold them accountable. every day they fail to issue a decision denies voters the right to hear the evidence against donald trump, whether for trying to steal the 2020 election, culminating in the january 6th insurrection or illegally retaining classified documents and obstructing government efforts to retrieve them. what we have in this country, 178 days until the election, is not hair on fire speculation about what donald trump might do if elected. what we have is
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an 887 page road map, literally , called project 2025, detailing the exact plan to transfer an astonishing amount of power to the president of the united states, if donald trump is re-elected. as carlos lozano writes, "it portrays the president of the personal embodiment of popular will and treats the law as an impediment to conservative governance. it elevates the role of religious beliefs and government affairs and regards the powers of congress and the judicial -- judiciary with dismissiveness." 2025, project 2025 is a visual of the second trump term. it would be antithetical to our founding fathers. if you want an example of what happens when laws are botched and the president can address impunity, hey, there's russia, providing vivid examples of that.
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vladimir putin was sworn into a fifth term as russia's president for winning in a, i don't know, i guess you can call an election that was neither free nor fair. the result of his crackdown on dissent, including jailing and exiling opponents, a remarkable number of whom end up dead from plane crashes or falling out of windows or unknown causes. russia's invasion of ukraine intensified vladimir putin's crackdown on dissent, barring criticism about his war and arresting protesters. he is russia's victory day celebration, commemorating the important defeat of germany in world war ii, to create the illusion that it's war on ukraine is similarly just and that its army is invincible. our next guest, timothy snyder, argues that not only can russia lose this war, but must lose this war for the sake of democracy. a defeated russia, he writes,
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is "russia's one chance to become a post-imperial country, one where reform is possible, one where russians themselves might be protected by law and able to cast a meaningful vote. defeat in ukraine is russia's historical chance for normality. as russians who want democracy and the rule of law will say." vladimir putin has never been held accountable because there are no checks on his power. he has managed to suppress dissent through thuggery and violence and fear, rigging elections, jailing enemies, controlling the price, appointing counties to do his bidding and using the government to act with impunity. that is vladimir putin's russia and that's exactly what donald trump wants his america to be. donald trump wants that kind of unfettered power that vladimir putin has, and he is shockingly within reach of it. joining us now is timothy snyder, professor of history at yale university and author of
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"the road to unfreedom." he understands this all, very well. i have to ask, professor, how close, how dangerous is it for america that we can start to go down that road as these things like project 2025 unveil ways in which the president-elect of the united states can gain more and more power? >> yeah, first, democracies are always vulnerable if you are not striving hard to keep them, there's a risk that you'll lose them. second is that americans tend to think that we are exceptional and so that we learn lessons from other people and their failures, and the third is that we are also a bit naove. we have the idea that we can vote someone like trump in and if we don't like him, we can protest or vote him out and fundamentally, that's a mistake. voting for trump is voting not to vote again, voting for trump
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is voting away your own voice, once you go down that road, there's no way to turn back. >> you were very kind to review my book, in which i made this point that you just underscored. democracies are always vulnerable. that's not a pessimistic view of democracy, it's a fact, democracy is not a thing that once it's invented, you're good for the rest of time. >> it's not something that god or nature gives you, it's not something your past gives you, it's not even something the constitution gives you. there's no piece of paper that lives on its own and how to incorporate those ideals and live them and think creatively about what they mean and you are right, it's not a pessimistic idea, it's optimistic because what democracy says is that people could rule themselves, people can rule themselves, they just have to want to. the moment you think someone or someone else or some of the tuition or some individual will take care of it for you, then you are giving up.
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>> there was a discussion today about how donald trump is pulling back on his ground game for the election. just concentrate on the cheating. this is interesting, i thought of you immediately because there's not substantial cheating in any meaning away in america, are voting since his ready robust when it comes to that. donald trump says that a lot, and he's trying to say, let's talk about cheating because if you convince enough people that there is cheating, even if he wins by the, loses buys much of a margin, it's now his new language of sowing doubt about the electoral system. >> it's an element of a plan to come to power in a semi- electoral faction. 2016, he did not expect to win. 2020, he was sure he wasn't and began preparing the ground for a coup attempt in the summer of
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2020, which is why he did what he did. this time, i don't think he's trying to win in the normal sense. i don't think he can. what he can do is get some votes and use that as the basis for some other way of trying to get the power and that is what he means when he talks about cheating, he's trying to say look, some people support me and the rest is cheating and therefore it's okay if we try violence or whatever else. >> one other thing important to think about is these days, with autocracy spreading and dictators popping up around the world, especially dictators who say things like they are the only one who can fix it, people give up their power. people give up their democracy. most autocracies are not revolution, they are people, slowly or quickly, handing power to the government. >> people not having access to or taking seriously the
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reporting they have around them, they are born of people trapped in social media cycles and confusing the voice of a wannabe autocrat for the reality around them. you are absolutely right. at the end of the day, it does depend on what people do. if we treat our own election as a joke, it will become a joke. >> tim, again, because you are actually optimistic about this, you believe that we have not lost this opportunity to do what you say, reclaim our democracy and strengthen our democracy. it takes being involved, you're not a hero for voting, but you are a hero if you go that much further and try to repair some of the things that have been undone in the last few years. >> i think it's very important to say that democracy is a good thing. it's not automatic, but it is good, it's a better way for you to live, for your kids to live, and it's a good thing that not
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only that you can vote, but you can knock on doors, you can make donations and be active between now and november. you'll feel better, you make a difference and in the end, it can turn out well. >> had to see you. timothy snyder, yale history professor, author of important books about democracy that you should read this mother's day. coming up, how dysfunctional are the republicans on the hill? marjorie taylor green was defeated by her own party when she tried to take the speaker's gavel away from speaker johnson, and he's talking about election integrity while ignoring the biggest threat to election integrity, the nominee for president. jasmine crockett of texas joins me after the break. (♪♪) but this is a not flash. (♪♪) for moderate to severe vasomotor symptoms due to menopause... veozah is the first and only prescription treatment that directly blocks a source of hot flashes and night sweats.
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tonight, a new highly anticipated state department report states outright that israel may have broken international law in gaza. the report to congress says that it is reasonable to assess that u.s. supplied weapons have been used by israeli security forces since october 7th in instances inconsistent with international humanitarian law. "while israel has the knowledge, experience, and tools to implement best practices for mitigating civilian harmonies military operations, the results on the ground, including high levels of civilian casualties, raise substantial questions as to whether the idf is using them effectively in all cases." despite that, the report does
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the state department currently believes the assurances provided by israel "to be credible and reliable" as to allow the provision of u.s. weapons to israel to continue. the release of the report comes after president biden confirmed wednesday that civilians have been killed in rafah as a consequence of u.s.-made bombs. biden warned israel's prime minister that the united states would cause more arms shipments if israel launches a full-scale invasion in rafah. >> i made it clear that if they go into rafah , i am not supplying weapons that have been used, historically, to deal with rafah , to deal with that problem. >> in response, israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu says israel is prepared to act
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without u.s. assistance. assis >> this marks a major shift of the biden administration's policy with israel. today, in a symbolic move, the united nations overwhelmingly voted to adopt a resolution in support of palestinian statehood. the united states is one of nine nations to vote against the measure. the united states ambassador to the united nations has also been removed as a commencement speaker at hbc you xavier university's graduation tomorrow in louisiana in light of the student outcry against the biden administration policies on gaza. the university of vermont also withdrew its invitation for greenfield to speak. joining us now is nicholas kristof, pulitzer prize-winning journalist and best-selling author. he is a brand-new book which comes out tuesday, except
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i held in my hand monday in los angeles when we were in the same place, congratulations. you have followed this closely, you have followed the complex and textured long-term relationship between america and israel in all cases, but the complex relationship of joe biden and israel. he is a remarkable dislike or a benjamin netanyahu, as many people are. where do you think we are in this moment? it seems like it's a tougher line than he's taken since the beginning of the war. >> that's right. the state department, the assessment on the memorandum is a report that well, israel may have broken son international humanitarian law, but not enough to invoke the law and i think that fundamentally, it did not seem to be a serious report and i think what's
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probably more important is that biden has slowed the shipment of bombs israel as a way to send a signal that look, we have leverage and we will apply it and second, he has said that if israel does mount an all-out invasion, then indeed, the u.s. will not supply weapons that reuse from bombarding civilians there. i think that both of those are really important steps. the we've been calling for months to apply that kind of leverage and i'm delighted that it's happening. there is now criticism that he has been too tough on israel and it seems to me that it's in humanitarian interest and the security interest of the u.s. and israel to indeed try to get the message through to show restraint. >> the nuance in the message, it's a nuance that doesn't go
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over as well in the middle east as it does, here, is the pursuit of a two state solution and discussion around that. so, the way in which biden could deflect the criticism that he's been too tough on israel is it something that looks like a long-term and sustainable peace between these people can come out of this. there's no hope we have that that's imminent or even the result of a cease-fire deal if one were to come, but it is the thing that could turn this around, out of all of this, that some peace could come to that region. >> right, it's not impossible. it's the biden administration's goal that there be a temporary cease-fire that is extended to become semipermanent and then that is used as an occasion to do a three-way deal between israel, saudi arabia, and the u.s. and each get something it wants and part of that is a two
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state solution, to put a peacekeeping force in gaza and provide something. i think that is possible. it would be a really big deal if it happened and i think it's also quite unlikely and even if it were announced, it would be likely to fall off the rails down the road and there is really no way forward for that. >> this week, when we were together in l.a., it looked like something was happening and it turned out that was not actually the case. part of the problem, you are sometimes more pessimistic about this, the parties involved in having to make a deal for israel and hamas are not incentivized to make a deal. they know that their days are numbered the day after the hostage release and the cease- fire.
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>> right. hamas does not want this kind of deal and hamas does see keeping those hostages is part of the safety package and likewise, i think benjamin netanyahu understands that once that were ends, he's likely to leave office. i must say, it's more than that. we tend to focus on that and there are a lot of israeli people who do want to absolutely try to eradicate hamas from the area and i think that biden feels and i think he's right that that is not a path to israeli security. he tried to eradicate hamas and thought they would do it under gaza's eddie, and now they think they are going to do in rafah, but there is reason to
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that was south dakota's republican congressman, moments before democrat extinguished the latest congressional dumpster fire, the one that was set alight by house republicans because of the republican party , doing your job properly can cost you your job. after speaker johnson worked with democrat to push through a critical $61 billion aid package for ukraine, the chaos caucus leader and vladimir putin's favorite house member marjorie taylor green tried to have the speaker removed. after getting booed by her own party, her attempt went down in flames with democrats voted overwhelmingly to save speaker johnson, again. here is the democratic leaders -- leader, hakeem jeffries. >> our decision to stop marjorie taylor green from plunging the house of representatives and the country into further chaos is rooted in
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our commitment to solve problems for everyday americans in a bipartisan manner. >> while donald trump may, in his words, "absolutely love marjorie taylor green," the atlanta journal spoke to constituencies in less than thrilled to be represented by someone who is more interested in political stunts than governing. "charlie penn, 43-year-old engineer, said he side of government shutdowns and wants to see a functioning congress. the things that she's involved in are more about getting attention for herself and actually accomplishing anything. i've never heard her sponsor a bill that sponsors our state, always fighting to make headlines, it seems like. ping, who considers himself a conservative republican, said he would rather see a democrat elected to the seat then marjorie taylor green. other voters in her district were more blunt. she is literally the worst person in the world, said elise long, 45.
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" joining us is the democratic state representative congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas, who's been with the house oversight committee, is a civil rights attorney, and you and i met when you were a state representative, when you are fighting these fight. >> mike johnson, that's got to be a hard vote. some democrats could not bring themselves to do it but it's hard because on one hand you want to save america from the constant chaos and dumpster fire that the republican caucus is, the mike johnston wouldn't be your choice. >> absolutely not. you're taking me back, a little bit, to another dysfunctional house. you know, here's the deal. i appreciate the comments of those that actually are in marjorie's district because the things that she does are not specifically from her district and you know, it's interesting
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nor his politics, in fact, he just disinvited basically the kenyan head of state from doing this address to congress, and this is the week after the democrat have saved you, right? we've got so much work that we need to do. i guess it's the freedom of the refrigerators that we need to focus on, instead of having this joint address to congress, so i dislike mike johnson's politics for so many reasons and i actually voted yes to save him and it was an accident . i actually meant to vote to kick him out. because i was like oh, i got distracted because something happened with staff so i was like wait a minute, i voted the wrong way, because at the end
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of the day, i don't know that this will age well, but i will say something that people don't remember is that we were and th made to table the first time that they tried it. there are some things that are a little bit old. there were obviously new allegations that came out and ultimately, they did the censure but there are deals that the american people have not necessarily's been on display, but i don't think that this is a continual pass. i think that this was a one- time get out of jail free card and to get anything else out of us, he has to work hard. >> let me ask you about a situation you know a lot about, being from text this. mike johnson did on one day, i don't want to give him a pass, he was discussing his bill to stop noncitizens from voting. let's be clear, that not really a thing.
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but let's listen to what he had to say. >> you definitely should be concerned. illegal aliens may be voting in 2024. we all know, intuitively, that illegals are voting in federal elections but it's not something that's easily proven. we don't have that number. >> we all know it. >> intuition. >> i see illegals and i think, you are going to the polls, aren't you? >> and this guy is a lawyer asked by our job is to present evidence that he is saying he has no evidence but in my gut, i think it's happening, so therefore we need to make sure we are coming up with additional , for anyone who doesn't know, it's already illegal. this speaker, it's already illegal. there's nothing to talk about. you arrest people for less all
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the time. if they find someone who is voting and they are not allowed to vote for whatever reason, we know we've seen the prosecutions , specifically down in texas. we know the face of really, this nonsensical incarceration and while the supreme court, the texas supreme court finally got something right and said hey, crystal mason, this was an error, she attempted to vote, she thought she could, ultimately, her boat did not count and now we have the local saying nevermind, the supreme court got it wrong and we want to undo that ruling. >> donald trump has announced that he wants to pull back on his ground game, and he wants to focus on messaging about voting cheating. mike johnson is all about voting cheating because donald trump doesn't have to win the election or get more votes than
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joe biden, but if he comes within spitting distance, it's now about cheating, bad voting systems, and all these illegals who are running to vote, their words, not mine, i don't use that word when it comes to undocumented immigrants, but that's the nonsense this is building toward. >> they are setting it up to he set it up last time as if, i don't win, that means they were cheating, right? we saw the sweeping laws coming through the statehouses because they were like well, donald trump didn't win and it was because they cheated so instead what we are going to do, is we are going to change the rules, change the laws, and make it to where number one, it's either more difficult to access the ballot box in the first place or we will confuse people to the point they say, you know what, i don't want to risk going to prison so i will not participate in the process which is another form of suppression and of course, don't forget, voter subversion,
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which we also had to deal with because that is what they were trying to do in georgia. you know what, i didn't win, but go find me more votes just don't count these ones. that's what we are dealing with and it's why we need these acts. we need to make sure we got the freedom to vote act, but we don't have the numbers and so i want people to pay attention and understand there's only one team fighting for us and our freedoms and it is a team, it can't just be joe biden alone. we need a senate, we need a house that puts democrats in control and we need joe biden back in the white house. >> representative crockett, thank you for joining us. tonight's "the last word" is next.
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i left my book in san francisco or at least i will next week. i'm going to be in san francisco to discuss my new book, "small acts of courage" this coming tuesday, may 14 at noon pacific time at the commonwealth club of california in san francisco. you can get tickets at their website commonwealthclub.org. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with katie phang begins right now. tonight, michael cohen gets called out. what the judge in donald trump's trial is saying about a star witness ahead of his testimony next week. plus a new report from the state