in sweden meltdown will be live in sweden as israel's entry into the song contest prompts controversy. controversy, then . for the great controversy, then. for the great british debate this hour i'm asking, do you trust labour to tackle the immigration crisis? in his counter—terror plan? is that right then difficult conversations, hard gali x gambling addict will be here to tell me his story, his heartbreaking story, and in a few moments time, of course, we'll be mocking the week live in the studio with the fabulous one and only louis schaefer. but before we get started, don't forget spectacular scenes as well. the northern lights . they well. the northern lights. they lit the sky. did you see them? all the best pictures coming up in click bait. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with sophia wenzler. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the dutch act has been kicked out of the eurovision song contest. grand

final. the european broadcasting union says used klein won't compete while swedish police investigate a complaint of inappropriate behaviour by a female member of the production crew. meanwhile, security has been tightened ahead of tonight's show as pro—palestinian protests continue. demonstrators are already gathering in malmo, rallying against israel's participation in the event after the country's eden golan qualified for tonight's show. she's among the leading contenders to win, but bookmakers have placed croatia's baby lasagna as favourite . baby lasagna as favourite. here's what fans have been saying. i think it's great that they have that the ebu didn't, they have that the ebu didn't, they didn't back down cowardly from the protesters and they included israel and let and didn't like tamper with votes or anything . anything. >> they let them through the final i understand it, i personally disagree with their involvement and a lot of the stuff that's happened in the past 24 hours, generally in eurovision, like with the possible disqualification of the

dutch representative or the videos coming out from inside the arena in general, it's become a bit too much. >> we're here to enjoy the stuff. bambi is here to enjoy it and we're not bringing politics into it at all. >> i'm not particularly political, so i tend to stay out of it. and i think a competition like this, it's about bringing people together, not, you know, trying to cause a lot of diversity. so, you know, i'm sorry, division. you know, i just don't think that's the right kind of attitude to have about eurovision. >> we have managed to avoid most of anything that's going on. and i think to be fair, it's been a little bit exaggerated by broadcasting . i know nothing broadcasting. i know nothing against you guys . against you guys. >> meanwhile, the us says israel may have broken international law in its use of american suppued law in its use of american supplied weapons in gaza . the supplied weapons in gaza. the state department says it's reasonable to assess that they've been used in ways that are inconsistent with israel's obugafions. are inconsistent with israel's obligations . lie—ins it stopped obligations. lie—ins it stopped short of a definitive assessment, saying the chaos of war made it difficult to verify alleged violations . the document alleged violations. the document also noted hamas uses civilian

infrastructure for military purposes and civilians as human shields. the findings come as israel warns residents in rafah to evacuate more areas of the city. in other news, two men have been arrested on suspicion of murder after two women died in a house fire in wolverhampton . emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. west midlands fire services says three other people were injured and taken to hospital , three other people were injured and taken to hospital, and a sixth person was discharged at the scene . a police officer has the scene. a police officer has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire. the officer was responding to reports of a stabbing in high wycombe last night. a 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. he was shot by an armed officer and is now in hospital under police supervision, with potentially life changing injuries. as drivers are being warned to only travel on the m25 in surrey if absolutely

necessary. it follows an unprecedented closure of the motorway, with five miles between junctions nine and ten closed to traffic until 6 am. on monday. it's created a 19 mile diversion which is causing delays . it's the first scheduled delays. it's the first scheduled daytime shutdown of an all lanes on the m25 since it opened in 1986. brits heading to majorca or ibiza this summer may be rethinking their holiday plans. it's as authorities in the balearic islands crack down on excessive drinking in some tourist hotspots. the move is in response to complaints by locals who've been reporting unacceptable behaviour, including visitors climbing into people's homes, the sale of alcohol will be banned from 930 in the evening until eight in the morning, and the northern lights lit up the skies across britain last night as one of the strongest geomagnetic storms for years hit the planet, caused by charged particles hitting the

different gases in the earth's atmosphere. they usually only seen in the far north of the country. if you miss the display , you're in luck because it might be visible in parts of the uk again tonight. might be visible in parts of the uk again tonight . and for the uk again tonight. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now it's back to . back to. nana. >> thank you sir. it's fast approaching six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv onune 3:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time to mock the week. and what a busy one it's been. erg member natalie elphicke is possibly the most right wing of the tory party. crossed the floor on wednesday before prime minister's questions to join the labour party. steve baker tweeted all about it. he said i've been searching in vain for a conservative mp who thinks

themselves to the right of natalie elphicke, one just one just quipped i didn't realise there was any room for her, right? wow. apart from that, unlike relatively unknown ex tory mp dan poulter, who deserted his party last month, natalie is notorious. deserted his party last month, natalie is no torious. she natalie is notorious. she initially stuck by her husband, who was convicted for three counts of sexual assault against two women. she said it was because he was too attractive . because he was too attractive. after he was sent to prison, natalie sat in his seat . after he was sent to prison, natalie sat in his seat. i after he was sent to prison, natalie sat in his seat . i mean, natalie sat in his seat. i mean, that obviously ended in divorce and only last year she delivered and only last year she delivered a withering assessment of the labour party over their migration plans. so it seems odd that they then accepted her into the fold, particularly after she'd been slammed by both angela rayner and rachel reeves. i obviously can't use a language that rachel used on this show at this time , and their faces as this time, and their faces as she crossed the floor were a picture indeed . and on friday, picture indeed. and on friday, sir keir starmer visited the constituency of dover to make a lacklustre speech. that's her constituency. with natalie at

the helm and natalie elphicke, the helm and natalie elphicke, the labour member of parliament for dover and deal. >> as you all know, this week i joined the labour party to be part of the change our country needs. part of the change our country needs . under part of the change our country needs. under rishi sunak, the conservatives have become a byword for incompetence and division . they have abandoned division. they have abandoned the centre ground and failed to deliver for the british people under keir starmer, labour occupies the centre ground and looks to the future to build a britain of hope, optimism, opportunity and fairness . a opportunity and fairness. a britain everyone can be part of . britain everyone can be part of. >> traitor keir then laid out his plans on tackling migrant crossings . crossings. >> britain can do better. labour will do better. we will end this farce. we will restore serious

government to our borders, tackle this problem at source and replace the rwanda policy permanently . today we launch our permanently. today we launch our plan to do that. a new approach to small boat crossings that will secure britain's borders prevent the exploitation by tackling it upstream and smash the criminal smuggling gangs and as the first step in this plan, as the first step in this plan, a new manifesto commitment, we will set up a new command with new powers, new resources and a new powers, new resources and a new way of doing things. border security command and border security command. >> we've got something like that already. anyway, he's going to ditch rwanda, even though it appears to be working and create appears to be working and create a what did he call it again? border. border security command and collaborating with all the departments, including mi5 . like departments, including mi5. like i said, i'm pretty sure that happens. anyway, all sounded very naive and heavily orchestrated, but something like that. if it doesn't already exist, will take years. and the

simple question still remains if he's ditching rwanda, which other eu countries are looking at with envy, where is he going to put failed asylum seekers ? to put failed asylum seekers? how about the people smugglers? can't wait for him to get into power. sounds like he's going to clear the backlog with some sort of amnesty . where are they all of amnesty. where are they all going to live? what's he going to do with that? i mean, honestly, this week interest rates remained the same , with rates remained the same, with promises of the potential cut presumably before the next general election . prince harry general election. prince harry came to town for his ten years of invictus, and meghan markle went as far as heathrow to meet him before they both jetted off to nigeria for a faux royal visit to one of the charities that benefited from their foundation. to the tune of 20 grand. >> to have our first visit to nigeria be here with all of you. we believe in you. we believe in your futures. we believe in your ability to continue to tell your stories and to just be honest with each other. there is no need to suffer in silence .

need to suffer in silence. >> i thought they'd stepped away from all of that. honestly, they've obviously got nothing to do. then. greta thunberg has reinvented herself as a pro—palestine protester. it's eurovision tonight, and the inclusion of israel has caused quite a stir. it's been a mucky old week. right. so coming up, comedian lewis schaffer will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week at 320. it's my hot topic. stories in mock the week at 320. it's my hot topic . my roundtable it's my hot topic. my roundtable discussion is epic. is it safe ? discussion is epic. is it safe? at 335, famous uri geller will be here to discuss the latest from israel. and joining me to shine a light in the political hot seat today is a eurovision specialist. charlie peters reports live from sweden. that's coming up. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. gbnews.com forward slash your say . that was right. slash your say. that was right. lewis schaffer comedian lewis schaffer i say the word comedian lightly. >> lightly sorry laughing sorry

because it's too close to the truth. >> natalie elphicke i mean, it's she's a woman. >> she was a survivor . >> she was a survivor. >> she was a survivor. >> i shouldn't say that. she was a survivor. i mean, she dumped her husband. she was the most right from what i know. i don't know anything about these people , but this is what happens. she just changed team because she wants to stay in business. she wants to stay in business. she wants to stay in business. she wants to continue to be a prime minister. she knows she was going to lose if she stayed as a conservative. so what do you what would you tell her to do? >> well, i'll tell her to. well, just stay put. or actually maybe join reform. yeah, we're probably closer to her policies , probably closer to her policies, but she knows like i said, she knows they're not probably going to win. yeah, exactly. >> and so my thinking is, is why would they have why would they let her come into the labour party? because i mean why would you. >> but then again, they know if it was a dude , they wouldn't let it was a dude, they wouldn't let her come in. >> they wouldn't let her come in. >> i don't think they would know. they wouldn't because they say, this is a bit weird. this quy's say, this is a bit weird. this guy's got no backbone already. they reminds me of lewis schaffer. just. somebody will do anything for any at any time except dan poulter a little while ago. >> although he's more eccentric.

he's a doctor. yeah. and he joined the party because tom was talking about rwanda as well. he says he's going to scrap it and create some border force control. >> yeah, well, who knows what he's going to do? i mean, he just wants to get elected. and once he gets elected, he can do what he wasn't do. this is what this is. this is politics. this is what you study. this is politics. they just want to stay in in power. i mean, what what what should he do? he should take the gunboats out into the canal, into the whatever the channel canal, into the whatever the channel, the channel, the channel. sorry about that. and just see, i'm not saying you should sink the ships. no, that's not nice. >> you can't do that. >> you can't do that. >> but why can't you say that? >> but why can't you say that? >> but why can't you say that? >> but is anybody saying anybody saying that? well, i think somebody did once say that and they're no longer here. yeah, so i wouldn't if i were you. look, i wouldn't if i were you. look, i don't think anybody should be sinking ships. let me be quite honest. i mean, apart from the tory party, they are a sinking ship. i don't think anyone should be, you know, actually physically sinking ships with gunboats. >> but do you want them to sink ships? >> no, i want them to turn the boats back round. yeah, and put them on a safe ship that they can go back or have cruise ships along the, the channel and

people can go there and be protected. >> how will they get how will they get back on the boat? >> people off. the idea is basically to put people off getting across the channel. yeah, they're sending them to rwanda. >> it sounds lovely to me. rwanda. the more i know about the place, it's. >> well, they don't like it. they genuinely don't like it. what do you think about keir starmer? his plan was private schools robbing peter to pay paul schools robbing peter to pay paul. we were talking about that later. but interest rates have stayed the same. is this good. >> yeah it's good for it's better than going up. yeah. is it good. it's up. it's gone up so much it's gone up to a normal amount. it should cost money to, to borrow money. so it's ridiculous that it should. it should go down would help me out. >> but what about harry and meghan though? do you feel bad for him? do you feel sorry? >> i do feel bad for them because they're being pitied. they're being pitted against the other side of the royal family. that's what these people do. these royals, they just fight each other. i know you love the royals, but i think that they're. i don't care what side they're. i don't care what side they're on. there should be no royalty. america found that out over 200 years ago, and it's been good for america. >> well, they like they love our

royal family. i beg to differ. >> they do not. >> they do not. >> they do not. >> they they do not. >> they they do not. >> they they do not. >> they do. they do not. you don't see you don't see prince harry being made king of america . he's not. they like having them around. i like i like , i them around. i like i like, i like the sphinx in in cairo. but that doesn't mean i want to put in central park. >> well, listen, when are you back on lewis schaffer? >> when you have me. well, on now on this thing i'm on tonight . headliners. yeah. headliners tonight. it's. i don't even know who's on it. i'm not on it tonight. i'm not on it. i'm on tomorrow night. he's on tomorrow night. >> he doesn't know when he's on lewis. >> no, i don't know. you should look me. i love you so much. you know that. i only come here. >> i love lewis. >> i love lewis. >> i don't want isn't he lovely? >> i don't want isn't he lovely? >> that's lewis schaffer. it's the heat in the studio. probably making him go mad, although he probably already was. welcome aboard. if you're just tuned in. thank you to lewis. he'll be back tomorrow. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll be having a roundtable discussion on today's big hot topic. ozempic is the drug safe

? good 7 good afternoon. it's just coming up to 18 minutes after 3:00. this is gp news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now. it is time for my round table discussion. and it's all about ozempic. the weight loss drug , which is about ozempic. the weight loss drug, which is making about ozempic. the weight loss drug , which is making waves. and drug, which is making waves. and it's been doing that for the last few months . but is it last few months. but is it really the miracle that some have hyped it up to be side effects such as hair loss, eating disorders , thatcherite eating disorders, thatcherite and bald under ss? fine. no, i'm not really eating disorders. even psychiatric episodes have all been reported and this comes as diabetics are struggling to get their hands on it for prescription . so is it really prescription. so is it really safe? well, joining me now is doctor renee hoenderkamp, a gp and medical writer. lizzie cundy broadcast from columnist and george keywood, actor and body positivity influencer. i'm going to start with you. renee renee . to start with you. renee renee. i feel like i'm on a low renee.

so what do you think about this? is it is it safe and is it a useful drug? right >> so first of all, it's a very useful drug for people that have diabetes . diabetes. >> and that's where it should stay. >> so in terms of safety , not >> so in terms of safety, not only the things that you've mentioned are being reported. now psychosis in some patients hair loss. but there are known side effects already as there are with any drug. >> let's face it. >> so we know that most people on it will get gastro intestinal disturbance, which hopefully will settle. >> but diarrhoea , vomiting, >> but diarrhoea, vomiting, nausea thereafter there's a chance of pancreatitis is about 1 in 100, which i think is quite high. >> now. >> now. >> once you've had pancreatitis you are an increased risk for about three years of having pancreatic cancer. >> so you're an increased risk for that, which is a deadly cancer. >> cancen >> there is an association with thyroid cancer in the mice it was given to. >> they got thyroid cancer. and there are various other things as well . so firstly no. and it as well. so firstly no. and it gives you between a five and a 20% weight loss over 68 months.

but at the moment you stop taking it, your appetite returns and you will put that weight back on. >> so it's then a lifelong drug. >> so it's then a lifelong drug. >> so it's then a lifelong drug. >> so you're going to be on a drug that has risks of cancer and other risks for life . and other risks for life. >> the only people that are happy about this or should be happy about this or should be happy about this or should be happy about it, are the big pharma companies. why does anyone think they are putting so much effort into researching drugs for weight loss? because the biggest problem we have now is obesity . and for them it's is obesity. and for them it's a cash cow. >> george, what are your thoughts on it? because as epic, this could be a useful drug for maybe somebody in your position who wants to lose weight. yeah. >> i mean i think it's disappointing because for plus sized people who are desperate to receive that drug to help them with their weight loss journey, they're not getting it because people who have money to spend and waste are just sourcing it from elsewhere. and, you know, we've got people that are now having eating disorders from this drug as well . so it's from this drug as well. so it's kind of doing the opposite effect of what it was intended for. >> so it's quite sad, you know, for a plus sized person who would benefit from this, it's

disappointing to see that it's going to the wrong type of people. >> would you like to be taking it? >> i mean, maybe in particular, i probably wouldn't want to . you i probably wouldn't want to. you know, i say, if you can't do it yourself, then it's probably best not to do it. >> yeah, but i mean, it could be life saving for people who should be taking it. >> yeah. i mean, people in a really dangerous situation in terms of their health. then by all means, take anything that will improve your health. but, you know, you can still do it yourself if you're young, you know, i'm only 30 years old now, so i've still got a bit of time in me to really do it myself. i've got a treadmill at home. i do 60 minutes a day. i've lost eight and a half stone in a yean eight and a half stone in a year, you know? wow. yeah oh, yeah.i year, you know? wow. yeah oh, yeah. i used to be a big boy. that's me. now now, just how big were you? >> well, ferdy 30 plus diet. >> well, ferdy 30 plus diet. >> wow. you know, and i'm now under that. so get to that. >> was it simply just eating a bad diet? >> i think it's a mixture of various things. you know, my dad died, you know, when i was only 21 years old. like, there's various different things throughout my life. what sort of put me in that situation, you know, acting careers got up and

down. you're an actor. there's it's a tough industry, you know. so i think there's many things where even when you're doing really well, you're stuffing your face because you've got lots of money in the bank and you're going wild. you know, it's a really hard balance, you know, because you've got to eat to live . to live. >> lizzie cundy like, you know, lots of celebrities are on this drug. oprah has just now apologised publicly for you know, pretty much swindling us all by making out that she's losing weight through diet and exercise. when it turns out that she was using all sorts of things. >> well, oprah, i'm really shocked at because for me, she was a role model, someone i looked up growing up and this is a really toxic role model because this drug is dangerous andifs because this drug is dangerous and it's addictive. and sadly, there are many of the stars out there are many of the stars out there that, you know, kids really look up to, you know, that are using this and, and want to be slim like them. we saw kim kardashian at the met gala with this tiny little waist. you know, she's apparently on it. robbie williams, sharon osbourne, jessica simpson. and when you look at them, sadly they do not look at them, sadly they do not look well. and i've many friends

in show biz world that are on this drug and now can't get off it because they are scared. as soon as they get off this drug, they're going to put the weight back on. and sadly, as renee has just said, it's dangerous. it's not good for your body . my not good for your body. my friend had terrible symptoms of sickness, hair was coming out. she actually lost her bottom. she actually lost her bottom. she had to sit on a rubber ring and cushion because her bone bones were actually sticking out. and you don't know where it kind of you want to lose fat. maybe on your tummy. it will go on places you don't want. you know , mainly on your face. the know, mainly on your face. the face. yeah, but you you yourself had an eating disorder, which i had. i've been very open about as a teenager. i had an eating disorder . and i think if i could disorder. and i think if i could probably have got my hands on this drug, i would have taken it. and that is the worry. there are many people out there, and many of my friends that are taking this drug and should not be on it. >> well, listen, i want to go over to steve miller from fat families. i used to love that show. oh yes, or the secret eaters , which is another one

eaters, which is another one that he used to do. i love that the people say, i don't know why i've got so fat. what have i been doing? the camera sort of follows them around and watches them, chucking sweet wrappers and food as they're stuffed. their face. i loved it. steve miller, he joins us now . steve, miller, he joins us now. steve, how are you? how are you? i'm good.thank how are you? how are you? i'm good. thank you. how are you? >> yeah, tremendous. >> yeah, tremendous. >> it just seems like we're all going to agree on this debate. and everything. >> isn't it interesting that everything's about having a freak these days? you know, it's all about injections and jabs. no.and all about injections and jabs. no. and but but the one thing i have to say is on their website, they actually make it clear that it's not a weight loss drug. >> to be fair to them, they make it clear it's all about diabetes, helping people with diabetes. >> so you know, i give them a credit there. but what they also do is, is they're transparent and say that, you know, they're they're unsure whether it could cause and trigger cancers. they're unsure, you know , in they're unsure, you know, in terms of how much weight you can lose, up to £14 seems to be what

they're what they they claim . so they're what they they claim. so i think we do have to be careful. there are other serious potential side effects that the doctor renee has outlined. you know, from from kidney problems, kidney failure, gallbladder problems, and then when i read about tumours and i read about cancers, now , you're right, the cancers, now, you're right, the doc's right in that, you know, all drugs have potential side effects. so we have to use a bit of common sense . my common sense of common sense. my common sense based on what i've read, in the press and what i've read, from ozempic says this is a last resort and the best way to do it, the best way to do it, is eat more fresh air. love yourself more than you love a trifle. try, you know, turn your back on the pork pie and get yourself more, you know, feed yourself more, you know, feed your mind rather than your mush. well, that's what we should be doing. >> well, it's true . thank you >> well, it's true. thank you very much to steve miller. their family's very wise words from steve. and now, renee, the other thing that they were linking obesity with was cancer. and

recently a report said that at least 50% was it. yeah, about 50% of cancers are partially down to or there's some. >> so this is because when you are overweight, your body is in are overweight, your body is in a constant state of inflammation . so you're already fighting that. >> so it becomes less easy to fight other things that your your immune system would normally get on top of. >> and i think that the message i would also like to say, and you might agree with me on this, it's not as simple as just cutting out your food. you need to change your food. people need to change your food. people need to stop eating processed food , to stop eating processed food, because i believe that the evil in society that has led these people here, so it's not really even their fault, is that processed food is everywhere. almost everything . so we need to almost everything. so we need to be going back to cooking ourselves from fresh ingredients , obviously eating less and getting out more. but until we crack this reliance that we have , 60% of the average british diet is processed. and for some people, it's 80. we will not crack the obesity problem. >> do you eat a lot of processed food? >> yeah , probably. >> yeah, probably. >> yeah, probably. >> i can see the admission

coming. >> i can see we all do though, you know, i mean, well, i really don't i really don't know. >> i generally don't. >> i generally don't. >> well maybe i do i mean i think it's a very difficult one isn't it. i mean i think it's down to portion size as well because if you just cut down like that's what i've been doing, i've just been having miniature cans of coca cola instead of, you know, full size coca cola. >> i don't i know, i know, i don't actually if i do drink coca cola, i'll drink the proper fat one because i don't like, i don't like saccharin and all the other things, but i think they are triggers for neurological disorders. i also think they're triggers for affecting the way you metabolise food. i don't think they're very sensible and your body wants sugar after you've eaten it because it thinks it's sugar and it isn't. >> i mean, it's an addiction, isn't it? food is an addiction. i mean, and i think this is the issue, isn't it? it's trying to stop yourself from doing something that you want to do, andifs something that you want to do, and it's trying to stop yourself from doing something that you have to do, and it's about picking the right things. but i think sometimes it's down to your financial situation that puts you in that situation as well, because you kind of you don't have enough money to go and buy nice food.

>> that is good, though. you know? >> no, i think it's a bit of a myth because if i buy a chicken and cook it in the week, it will last. my daughter's school lunch for the entire week with some rice. >> you can't say you're not giving it to other bread, is it? wholemeal rice? we don't have bread. is it wholemeal rye? >> basmati, which is as good as. >> basmati, which is as good as. >> oh, nice. we're coming up to renee city. >> i think i cook everything, but it does take organisation. >> but once you're into the pattern, it's really easy. but i think people are just led by. please don't underestimate the power of the sugar industry, the power of the sugar industry, the power of the advertising industry to lead people where they want them to be. >> and i actually think on fast foods it should say like on cigarettes. what the harm it does for you. and i think exercise , sports, kids don't do exercise, sports, kids don't do enough anymore. they're sitting there on the playstation and just easily snacking away, and parents need to have a really big responsibility. but also we need to look at the psychological reasons why people want this drug, because sadly , want this drug, because sadly, people that are on it. some of my friends are so depressed,

suicidal thoughts , what it's suicidal thoughts, what it's doing to you mentally, not just physically , is so damaging. and physically, is so damaging. and those that are, you know, giving this drug out or have a really irresponsible and it's a really big worry. >> it's weird, though, because sharon osbourne wasn't particularly fat anyway, so she didn't really need to do that. i mean, she wasn't obese, was she? she wasn't. no. there's nothing. and now i can see that she kind of regrets it in a way, because she can't put the fat back on no matter what she eats. and that's very frightening. >> but sadly, once you're on this drug, you really can't get off. it's addictive . and that's off. it's addictive. and that's the worry. and then in your head you're thinking, as soon as i go off it, i'm going to start eating again. i'm put on the weight. it's a vicious circle . weight. it's a vicious circle. >> do you know, i would even say that if we're going to spend money in the nhs on helping people who are overweight, i would much prefer that they had bariatric surgery because that is a lifelong solution , and it's is a lifelong solution, and it's not one that has the side effects of this drug. yes, it has some surgical side effects at the time, but once you're past it , that's it. past it, that's it. >> but can't you get yourself, but then would you consider

bariatric surgery? >> is that the way you've been offered by two surgeons for free, actually. but i think the thing was stopping me is the risk, you know, of you could die from it. you know, it is a serious operation to have. and i think in the right country maybe. yes, but in some countries, maybe not a great idea. i've heard recently that someone died in turkey from having the operation. >> don't go to turkey. >> don't go to turkey. >> no, i know , but, you know, >> no, i know, but, you know, a lot of people will, you know, should be a clue. >> there. steph takyi . you see >> there. steph takyi. you see turkey teeth. i'll have my teeth down in turkey. >> they're pretty bad. >> they're pretty bad. >> i'd rather keep my teeth . >> i'd rather keep my teeth. >> i'd rather keep my teeth. >> so, yeah, people are going to die from their obesity . so it is die from their obesity. so it is weighing up the long term risk of that. and also it gives. i've seen a patient lose 12 stone after bariatric surgery. and she said to me i've got my life back. yeah. you know i mean some people don't know what their life is though, do they. >> so giving them a new life. >> so giving them a new life. >> but i need to help more on the mental health front. >> yeah. that's, that's, that's a key point as well. >> before giving out drugs willy nilly. yeah. well listen and we don't want a pig face as well. >> a lot of them have got this

sort of gaunt like ghost face because they've just basically they're stuck on it. but listen, thank you so much to the brilliant doctor renee hunter kemp, lizzie cundy, broadcaster and columnist. george kemp, lizzie cundy, broadcaster and columnist . george keywood, and columnist. george keywood, actor and body positivity influencer and steve miller. right. so if you're just tuned in, welcome to study two minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. coming up at four. my monologue nana niggle, as i like to call it. you gotta be careful with that one as the kids. starmers plan to rob peter to pay paul is unravelling before our very eyes. but first, let's get your latest headlines with . aaron. latest headlines with. aaron. >> hi there. good afternoon to you. it is 332. i'm aaron armstrong, the dutch contestant has been kicked out of the eurovision song contest, the european broadcasting union says joost kleine will not compete in the grand final, while swedish police investigate a complaint of inappropriate behaviour by a female member of the production crew . he'd female member of the production crew. he'd been amongst the

favourites to win it. meanwhile, security has been tightened ahead of tonight's show as pro—palestinian protests continue. demonstrators are already gathering in malmo. they're protesting against israel's participation in the event. its entrant, eden golan, has qualified for tonight's show. she's amongst the leading contenders to win, but bookmakers have placed croatia's baby lasagne as the favourite . baby lasagne as the favourite. two men have been arrested on suspicion of murder after two women died in a house fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. west midlands fire service say three other people were taken to hospital and a sixth person was discharged at the scene. a 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a police officer was shot in the leg with a crossbow in high wycombe. the suspect was shot by an armed officer and is now in hospital under police supervision, with potentially life changing injuries , and the life changing injuries, and the northern lights put on a rare display across the uk last

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channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. don't forget to download the gb news app as well. but next i've got charlie peters . he's well. but next i've got charlie peters. he's going to be in my political hot seat. i'm going to have him in now , because next have him in now, because next monday marks a very special day for the state of israel as it, marks its independence day amid some of the toughest times in recent years. thousands are presently protesting outside tonight's eurovision venue in sweden . in international sweden. in international politics, there are also tensions, as this week saw us president joe biden threaten to withdraw weapons supplies to israel if they undertake a unilateral invasion of the city of rafah. right. let's go live to tel aviv and speak to performer and mystifier uri geller for the latest on the ground in israel. uri, thank you very much for joining ground in israel. uri, thank you very much forjoining me. >> hi, nana, if you will allow me, i'll start, my conversation about the eurovision because, look, nana, you know, i love talking about aliens. well, in eurovision tonight , it looks

eurovision tonight, it looks like they have just landed. look, i don't mind what anyone looks like. i don't , but the looks like. i don't, but the irish singer, she said she listened . listened. >> they cried when they heard israel had got into the final. >> so whatever planet bambie thug comes from, well, they can go straight back there. actually, we are all very excited here in israel about eurovision because, you know, nana, this is no ordinary eurovision. this is a battle ground. as you know, the same people who marched in london every weekend calling for israel's destruction tried to get israel kicked out of the competition. now our singer, she's called eden golan, she's 20 years old and it is shocking . 20 years old and it is shocking. she cannot even leave her room. she cannot even leave her room. she cannot even leave her room. she cannot leave her hotel room in case she gets attacked. and it is true all because she is israeli and she's jewish. so

tonight we are holding our breath. if eden wins , it will breath. if eden wins, it will show all the haters that ordinary , peace loving people ordinary, peace loving people reject all of that and they stand with israel. and do you know what else? there are 100 swedish policemen . they are swedish policemen. they are taking her to the hall with guns . they're escorting eden golan with guns to the hall. look, nana, as you know, i have special powers and i'm going to bombard my tv with all the energy, all the energy that i have to will eden to win, and i want. i'm asking . have to will eden to win, and i want. i'm asking. i'm have to will eden to win, and i want. i'm asking . i'm begging want. i'm asking. i'm begging your viewers to do it to israel . your viewers to do it to israel. got to win. now, look, i'm going to show you something else . to show you something else. look, nana, the fact that the protesters who are against eden golan also want israel to lose the war. and this week, something unbelievable happened. you just mentioned it. the same people who hate britain as much as they hate israel got a gift ,

as they hate israel got a gift, as they hate israel got a gift, a gift from none other than the president of the united states, joe biden, for the first time even joe biden, for the first time ever, a us president threatened to stop supporting israel military in the middle of a war. now, look, yes, joe biden said, if israel goes to rafah, where all the hostages are, including british hostages , they're held british hostages, they're held there. he will not give israel there. he will not give israel the weapons . it needs to do it the weapons. it needs to do it now. none of this is absolutely shocking . america, i mean, under shocking. america, i mean, under this president, has betrayed us. it betrayed israel. the hostages need to be released, and biden should be ashamed . now, finally, should be ashamed. now, finally, look at this . nana. i'm. i'm look at this. nana. i'm. i'm actually quite jealous because you were treated to a spectacular light show across britain last night. i'm holding a photo of millom island in scotland. if you remember, i bought an island 18 years ago.

the pictures of the northern lights in the uk are amazing. it looks like something from outer space. so that's millom island and nana as i always end the show with you, i send you and all your amazing viewers. lots of love, positive energy and let's see what happens tonight. i love you all. >> oh, thank you so much. we hope that israel i hope israel will win. i don't normally vote, but i think i'm going to do it tonight. and of course, thank you for uri geller. his thoughts on what's happening in israel. really good to talk to you. brilliant. uri geller right. well, what are you going to do? who are you going to vote for? what do you think ? charlie what do you think? charlie peters will be in the political hot seat in a few moments. time to shine a light on eurovision. and why a song contest has become so political. political spotlight is

next. welcome to gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. if you're just joined me, i'm nana akua. and it's time for this week's political spotlight. and joining me to shine a light. live from sweden. eurovision is tonight for some fear that the camp spectacular has already marred in controversy. many people are calling for israel to be booted out of the competition. does the ongoing conflict in gaza and the website states that peaceful protest is allowed , and that they are firm allowed, and that they are firm advocates for freedom of speech and the right and the right for people to express their deeply held views and opinions. joining me is gb news reporter charlie peters to shine a light. charlie peters, you're there, you've got a nice free trip to sweden. is the weather nice there ? the weather nice there? >> well, it's turned a bit here in malmo in southern sweden as a pro—palestinian protest makes its way from the town centre towards the arena where eurovision will be hosted tonight. behind me you can see

some smoke flares that have been set off by the protesters here as a banner that says glitter doesn't hide genocide makes its way. organised by queers for palestine, a protest group here they have argued that israel is organising a genocide in its war in gaza . this has been a claim in gaza. this has been a claim made by several people calling on israel to be banned from the eurovision song contest. eden golan, the act who will be performing tonight for israel, went through on that semi—final two nights ago with a significant chunk of the vote. she has reportedly been stuck between her hotel room and the arena due to security fears, with protesters also gathering not just here in the city centre but also outside where she's staying. the head of shin bet, the israeli version of m15, has reportedly flown in personally to sweden to monitor her security situation, which is a significant step at the same

time today, eurovision has fallen into chaos. earlier today, the dutch contestant was disqualified from the event, the first time this has happened in eurovision history. a disqualification on the day of the grand final that brought down the number to 25 contestants. after an alleged incident on thursday evening. further we've also seen some stark comments by other contestants today. in the final dress rehearsal, the french performer paused midway through his song to deliver a speech about peace. the motto of this eurovision competition this year is united by music, but it's clear that many people here do not feel as though that is occurring. we've also heard from the irish contestant who said they said that they were very concerned about comments made towards them on the israeli broadcaster, and urged some investigation into that situation. and finally, in norway , the person who was meant norway, the person who was meant to be doing the jury votes for

the norwegian public broadcaster has announced in the last few hours that they will not be carrying out that role. so with just a few hours before eurovision starts and as pro—palestinian protesters marched towards that arena, it's clear that as 160 million prepared to tune in eurovision is in chaos is, you know, we're all eurovision is supposed to be all eurovision is supposed to be a cheerful, happy occasion where it was set up to unite europe and set up to be a unifying force. >> it appears to have turned into an almost political ridiculousness. i mean , this is ridiculousness. i mean, this is this is about a war that has happened because of an incident that happened on october 7, and israel has a right to defend itself. i'm not saying that they're right to whatever they're right to whatever they're doing, but it just seems wrong. especially the notion that queers for palestine , i that queers for palestine, i mean, palestine, i don't think is very welcoming to homosexuals . so i just find it very odd. but, charlie, have you managed

to speak to some of the people there, and are you hearing what their thoughts are? because a lot of these people are totally ill educated on the situation . ill educated on the situation. there it's many of the standard pro—palestinian chants you might hear on marches around the world, in particular in london, of course, where this has been occurring every other weekend since october the eighth, when many protesters first gathered after that hamas attack on southern israel. the march here has drawn to a close in terms of the end of its march in the city centre. it will now continue to the main arena where the competition is taking place. now, as you said, there's been a concern about political involvement in eurovision . often involvement in eurovision. often this is meant to be a non—political event. it's about music united by music being the motto. but eurovision has always had to tread carefully with politics in the past. and indeed two years ago, the competition the ebu , the organiser, the the ebu, the organiser, the european broadcast union, did remove russia from the competition after its full scale invasion of ukraine. many

critics of israel say that because that precedent has been set, israel should also be removed from the competition. by contrast, supporters of israel have said that actually israel was responding to hamas on october the 7th and that israel is the ukraine in this situation, not the other way round. so those contested views very much being heard here. we spoke to some israelis earlier today. i have to say, very few israelis gathering today, many more pro—palestinian protesters here in malmo in southern sweden. so just a few hours to go now until the competition gets away in earnest . the grand gets away in earnest. the grand final, with so much chaos in that final dress rehearsal, what can we expect tonight in the actual 160 million view, global performance? >> do we have any idea who are the hot favourites to win tonight ? tonight? >> well, the, the dutch performer with his song europa was put down as a fan favourite ,

was put down as a fan favourite, but with his disqualification that has thrown more, agitation and uncertainty into the scenario. here the croatian performer is set to be, a fan favourite and israel actually eden garland's performance is currently on the betting odds second place. by contrast, only alexander for britain is currently being shown at 1% chance of victory tonight for great britain. >> so what do you think? it's no fun for britain and. and have you had a chance to watch olly alexander entry ? sorry nana alexander entry? sorry nana i didn't quite i said, have you had a chance to watch our entry olly alexander great britain? have you had a chance to look at it ? it? >> yeah, i have, i have and i you know, i think he's a he's a fantastic performer. i think he's going to be received very positively here. but the overshadow across all the music. unfortunately for many eurovision fans, isn't that the songs are centre stage . it's all songs are centre stage. it's all about the political protests

surrounding the concert. people aren't focusing on the music here. it's not united by music. many critics are arguing instead , it's a big focus on a war in the near east. >> well, listen, charlie peters, thank you very much. really good to talk to you. we will catch up with you throughout the show with you throughout the show with further updates. that's charlie peters, he's out there in sweden. well, lots of you have been getting in touch at gbnews.com/yoursay. let's see who's this. they've not put their name. nelson says eurovision should not be about politics. you should vote for your favourite song. geez, he says, personally, i don't watch it anymore as it's gone over the top. it has actually our entries exactly in an example of that. and then somebody says, no, no, inever and then somebody says, no, no, i never watch eurovision, but this year i'm voting for israel. like a lot of people . who will like a lot of people. who will you be voting for? well, listen, coming up, i'll be joined by my amazing panel, matthew laza and lizzie cundy next. so my monologue nana nigel sir keir starmer plan to rob peter to pay paulis starmer plan to rob peter to pay paul is unravelling before our very eyes.

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morning and then into the afternoon. we start to see some scattered showers develop, and these will then turn quite thundery and heavy in places. there are warnings in force from the met office as we go through the met office as we go through the course of tomorrow. so do watch out if you are travelling about but in the sunshine . highs about but in the sunshine. highs reaching 26 or 27 degrees now as we move into next week we start to see low pressure take charge. this band of rain will move in dunng this band of rain will move in during the course of monday across the southwest, giving a very wet picture here. elsewhere, a mixture of sunny spells and showers. but as we go in towards the middle part of the week , temperatures will fall the week, temperatures will fall back down to where they should be for the time of year. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. >> this is gb news. we are the people's channel. more to come in the next hour . people's channel. more to come in the next hour. nana akua miguel nana miguel is on the way next to sir keir starmer plan to

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hello. good afternoon. welcome to gb news. on this beautiful hot day, we're live on tv , hot day, we're live on tv, onune hot day, we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show , right now, this show this show, right now, this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is former labour party adviser matthieu lala. he's giving everybody a cold so i can do that to him. and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy also coming up for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, does starmer's immigration plan get your vote? difficult conversations with former gambling addict and mental health advocate harj ghali will be joining me live in

the studio . he lost over 250 oh, the studio. he lost over 250 oh, grand and then in my royal roundup, the one and only angela levin with the latest from behind the palace walls. but first, let's get your latest news headlines. >> very good afternoon to you. it is 4:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the dutch act has been kicked out of the eurovision song contest grand final. the ebu, the european broadcasting union, says us klein won't compete while swedish police investigate a complaint of inappropriate behaviour by a female member of the production crew. meanwhile, security has been tightened ahead of tonight's show as pro—palestinian protests continue and demonstrators are gathering in malmo and they're walking through the old town centre towards the event venue. they're rallying against israel's participation in the event and the country's entry. eden golan has qualified for tonight's final. she's amongst

the leading contenders to win, but bookmakers have placed croatia's baby lasagna as the favourite . here's what the fans favourite. here's what the fans have been saying. i think it's great that they have that the ebu didn't, they didn't back down cowardly from the protesters and they included israel and let and didn't like tamper with votes or anything. >> they let them through the final i understand it. >> i personally disagree with their involvement and a lot of their involvement and a lot of the stuff that's happened in the past 24 hours, generally in eurovision , like with the eurovision, like with the possible disqualification of the dutch representative or the videos coming out from inside the arena in general, it has become a bit too much. >> we're here to enjoy the stuff, bambi is here to enjoy it and we're not bringing politics into it at all. >> i'm not particularly political, so i tend to stay out of it, and i think a competition like this, it's about bringing people together, not, you know, trying to cause a lot of diversity. so, you know, ihra division, you know, i just don't think that's the right kind of attitude to have about eurovision. we have managed to avoid most of anything that's

going on. >> and i think, to be fair, it's been a little bit exaggerated . been a little bit exaggerated. and by broadcasting nothing against you guys , the israeli against you guys, the israeli army has ordered new evacuation orders for various parts of the gaza strip as it expands its military operation. >> and more neighbourhoods in rafah have been told to move to western parts of gaza. around 300,000 palestinians have already left, but israeli forces have also issued a large scale evacuation order for parts of northern gaza, prompting fears of a military assault on two fronts. the uk and its allies have warned israel against carrying out an operation in rafah . two men have been rafah. two men have been arrested on suspicion of murder after two women died in a house fire in wolverhampton . emergency fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. west midlands fire service says three other people were injured and taken to hospital, and a sixth person was discharged at the scene . a discharged at the scene. a police officer has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire . the officer was buckinghamshire. the officer was responding to reports of a

stabbing in high wycombe last night. a 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. he was shot by an armed officer and he is now in hospital under police supervision with potentially life threatening injuries . life threatening injuries. drivers are being warned to only travel on the m25 in surrey if absolutely necessary . it follows absolutely necessary. it follows an unprecedented closure of the motorway, with five miles between junctions nine and ten closed to traffic until 6 am. on monday. it has created a 19 mile diversion which is causing delays . it is the first delays. it is the first scheduled daytime shutdown of all lanes on the m25 since it openedin all lanes on the m25 since it opened in 1986. brits heading to majorca or ibiza this summer may be rethinking their holiday plans. it is as authorities on the balearic islands crack down on excessive drinking in some tourist hotspots. that could be a problem. the move is in response to complaints from locals who have been reporting

unacceptable behaviour, including visitors climbing into people's homes. the sale of alcohol will be banned from 930 in the evening to eight in the morning. the northern lights lit up the skies across britain last night as one of the strongest geomagnetic storms hit the planet for years, caused by charged particles hitting the various gases in the earth's atmosphere. they're normally only seen in the far north of the country. well, if you missed the country. well, if you missed the display last night, good news. you may well be able to see it again in some parts of the uk tonight . so good luck to the uk tonight. so good luck to you if you're staying up late for the latest stories . you can for the latest stories. you can sign up to gb news alerts the qr codes on your screen . the codes on your screen. the details are on our website gb news. com now back to . news. com now back to. nana. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching six minutes after 4:00. if you've just joined us, where have you been? this is gb

news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. so keir starmer's plan to rob peter to pay starmer's plan to rob peter to pay paul is unravelling before his very eyes, and i'm glad to see the labour leader policies being tested in the real world. you see keir's policy to invigorate the flagging state school sector involves charging vat on private schools or independent schools, and that is a cool 20% increase in fees to parents in one hit. he plans to use the money that he gets from this and fund the state sector. although if he'd looked into it a bit more thoroughly, even i know that private schools often help out the state sector, sharing facilities and putting back into the community my mum's local private school, which is in fact my old boarding school, sends out a minibus for the elderly to give them lunch free of charge . i know this because of charge. i know this because they pick up my mum and she tells them to watch my show. when she gets there, she goes, you must watch my daughter's

programme . you must watch my daughter's programme. in you must watch my daughter's programme . in fact, they're programme. in fact, they're probably all watching it now, so hello. good afternoon. i'm gina's daughter here. should have also noticed that many independent schools are struggling to get by. as it is, they're not all like eton and they're not all like eton and the majority of parents are forgoing many things and working all hours god sends so that their kids don't have to. you see, if sir john curtice their kids don't have to. you see, if sirjohn curtice is correct, when he pretty much pretty much always is. and keir, he said that keir is pretty much i think he's 99.9% chance of winning the next general election . and if keir does election. and if keir does become prime minister, unfortunately for him, in anticipation of this prospect before he's even in office, his projected income for this plan is unravelling before his very eyes as parents decide not to go private. in fact, it's already beginning to bite. enrolments to these schools have already fallen by 2.7% and are set to fallen by 2.7% and are set to fall further in september. the independent schools council, who have been collecting data on new starters for over a decade,

reported this as the biggest annual drop since it began collecting its data in 2011. now, the body represents almost 1400 private schools, and experts say that the policy could result in as many of them closing down. julie robinson, the chief exec of the isc, said you can see the change in our census already and new parents for this year are asking about that. you hear them speaking ahead as the headteachers hear them saying now. she also went on to say the majority of families are dual income households who can afford to, could just about afford fees comfortably and are starting to see already the impact of that looming on the horizon. so in coming up with this oh so ridiculous plan before keir has even taken office, the independent school sector is already feeling the brunt of his master plan. if he's not careful in trying to rob peter to pay paul keir might have single handedly destroyed both by burdening an already overloaded

state system and depriving the private sector, resulting in only the super rich who make a very small percentage of the population being able to afford private education, thereby widening further the divide between the rich and poor, good and bad. and that's not to say that state schools are bad. in fact , many that state schools are bad. in fact, many are exceptional. but the burden of yet more students and the ever diminishing return of kids plan will mean their resources will be even more stressed, stretched. i guess he couldn't see that would be the outcome. looking over from his north london ivory tower from inside his comfortable westminster bubble, it was pretty obvious to most of us who live in the real world talk about destroying both sectors with one blow. the irony , of with one blow. the irony, of course, sir keir starmer benefited from a private education when his school became a fee paying one. he was allowed to stay on and his fees were paid. there's a lot of drawbridge pulling up, going on in the labour party of late. well done to keir. i think this would probably be a wise time

for one of your legendary flip flops, don't you ? yeah, exactly. flops, don't you? yeah, exactly. but before we get stuck into the debate , here's what else is debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, does starmer's immigration plan get your vote? this week, sir keir unveiled labour's plans to use new counter—terrorism powers to tackle people smuggling gangs, says the great british debate this arm asking does that plan? does that get your vote? then at 450 it's all round up time. angela levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu. harry returned to the uk for his 10th anniversary of the invictus games. he skipped a meeting with his father. instead, he flew to nigeria where he met meghan. i think at heathrow actually, before he went to nigeria . and before he went to nigeria. and then at five, it's this week's difficult conversation hard, scaly , former gambling addict scaly, former gambling addict and mental health advocate will be live in the studio that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. get in touch

about gbnews.com forward. slash your say or tweet me @gbnews . your say or tweet me @gbnews. all right. let's get started. let's welcome my panel . former let's welcome my panel. former labour adviser matthew laza and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. right. matthew laza. it's your great leader sir keir starmer. laza. it's your great leader sir keir starmer . as a former labour keir starmer. as a former labour party adviser, he's your lead man. he is. >> he's doing a very good job. >> he's doing a very good job. >> do you think this is a good plan? what are your thoughts on this plan. >> so i think that it's a perfectly sensible plan. >> i think it's not fair that the 7% of britons school kids go to private schools, and it's not fair that they're subsidised by the other 93. >> in what way are they subsidised ? because the parents subsidised? because the parents who are paying are ultimately subsidising the state sector because their kids aren't going to? >> it's a great myth that's one of the it's paid through taxes. it's paid through taxes. but there is actually a spare capacity in the state sector at the moment. actually, one of the issues is falling school rolls

in many places because the birth rates declined. >> so there's plenty of capacity in the state sector, particularly in places. >> this is not true, matthew, andifs >> this is not true, matthew, and it's not true because i used to lecture around schools all across the country, and i did it doing it for eight years, and the classes were to boiling, brimming point, and there was not extra capacity with mass migration. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, what's happened is, is that because because of the birth rate in many areas, particularly in the areas where private schools are, which tend to be outside of the inner cities, which tend to be in a smaller cities , so look, it is smaller cities, so look, it is our state schools took a cut that was bigger than the cost that was bigger than the cost that state education would be. >> so i think that it's time for us, for our private schools , to us, for our private schools, to start looking at state schools and how they can deliver high standards for less, because it's all about it's about fairness and giving a fair chance that the state schools, the private schools should look at state schools. >> it's the other way around, isn't it? >> no, i think they should look at state schools because what happened is, is that state schools took a cut that was bigger than the cut that the private schools would take if they didn't charge per parcel. a past the vat cut on during the austerity years, and actually

until covid standards in state schools continued to climb. obviously covid impacted everybody. and now they're they're sort of getting getting back where they were. but that's another discussion . but in terms another discussion. but in terms of being able to do the same job for less money, state schools did that during the thing . so did that during the thing. so you know what? so maybe the odd private school is going to have to not have the fancy new swimming pool or the fancy new drama block paid for by the kids who go to school, which isn't a fancy school. that's true. this is true. >> it's also a misrepresentation because not all private schools are big, luxurious schools. i think you're thinking about the eton's. no i'm a lot of them are. for those with special needs or special educational needs. >> absolutely. and i think that labour needs to make sure that the policy is sensibly applied. i think there's an issue about whether or not schools for special educational needs and others which are independent schools. but, but, but are fulfilling a particular role that's eating away at the amount of money. yes it will, but that's sensible. but the truth of the matter is, is that for the vast, the vast majority of state schools are there because, kids want them, because parents want us to subsidise them sending their kids to what is a

better school. and that's not on. >> matthew, do you know what? i'm going to buy you a sat nav because you have totally lost your way. i can't drive. do you know what this is? envy? politics. that's all it is. and it will force parents who are now to put their, their, their sons and daughters into the state schools, piling more then pressure on the system itself. and it's a myth that this is this is a myth. it's already happening that just the wealthy put their their , their, you put their their, their, you know, children into private schools. it isn't just the wealthy. many families, my own family work very, very hard to give us this education. and for those that are highly gifted and, keir starmer is now just taking away their dreams , their taking away their dreams, their aspirations and their hope. i shame on you for sticking up for this. shame on keir starmer, lizzie. >> there are there are scores of highly gifted kids who went to comprehensives just like i did. and you know, and we cannot have exactly vie. exactly, exactly. we need we need to ensure

fairness across the system . fairness across the system. >> but parents aren't now able. a third of the parents aren't going to be able to put their kids in private school. >> we're waiting to see 2.7% is not. and that's the beginning . not. and that's the beginning. >> it's a third. the report the report says 2.7, but they're expecting that to increase by september . september. >> it will increase by it will increase a little bit. >> but you see so what they're talking about you're talking about dislodging children from a school that they're comfortable in. a lot of kids do need the extra tuition. the parents are prepared to pay for it, but they can't afford. >> no kid will have to lose if the schools can cut their costs. so they don't need they don't need the fancy. if you go around a private school and i'm not talking about eton, i've been to lots of, you know, private schools and they, you know, and the facilities are fantastic. they're very fancy, but they can't come at the cost of, of being subsidised by the kids who are at the comprehensive down the road, which is where 93% of british kids. >> okay. so that's not again, the parents who are sending their children to private school are paying twice , so they are are paying twice, so they are paying are paying twice, so they are paying in their taxes for those at state schools, which they're quite happy to do, and they are then paying for their children at a private school . so they are

at a private school. so they are they are, in effect, subsidising they are, in effect, subsidising the rat that's been they're subsidised. >> the fact that vat isn't charged is a subsidy, which is more than it outweighs what's being saved . but, matthew, do being saved. but, matthew, do you not see that this is just piling more pressure on state schools and those that aren't as academic are going to suffer because they're not going to get the attention. >> now, our parents aren't able parents aren't able to afford this, and they work hard to try and put their kids into private school. you're denying it . your school. you're denying it. your party are denying it. >> let's come back in two years time. and what you'll have found is that private schools have cut that. no he won't. he will have cut their would have cut would have cut their expenditure. they would have done what they'll they'll have tightened their belts and effectively most of the cut won't be passed on. that's not what they are essential. >> they are resentful of. they are resentful. labour party are resentful of wealthy people, and all they're trying to do is fill the gap for the underfunded, underfunded state schools. >> we're not we're not saying that you can't send your kid to a private school. we're saying that you're you won't be able to

afford it by the 93. shouldn't be subsidising the not being subsidised . subsidised. >> first of all. i mean, i know you keep going on about the that thing, but they're not because bearin thing, but they're not because bear in mind you can't choose where your taxes go. so the taxes go the vat is because they have charitable status. obviously he's going to remove that from these private schools. a lot of these private schools do a lot in other charitable . do a lot in other charitable. >> i don't have kids. so can i have a can i have a vat on something else in my life because i'm not using a school? well, exactly. >> i'm just coming back to your point. that's exactly it. so to say that they're being subsidised, the private schools, the parents are subsidising the private schools. it isn't true. it is. >> they are very welcome to send their kids to our state schools, which are very successful in many my sixth form loads of the local private school to the states. they are they can be. >> when you say keir starmer , >> when you say keir starmer, can you remind him that our younger generation have had to cope through so much through covid with all of their education, and now this, and is taking away no, is taking no, but it's taking away the opportunity . opportunity. >> vie listen, it's he's not going to get the money. the bottom line is whether you think it's a good or bad thing, he's

not going to get the money that he's calculated. he thinks, no he's calculated. he thinks, no he isn't because they have no, they factored in the fact that there will be a fall in numbers going. they factored in, but they realised that there'll be a point at which if it does reach, that they won't make any extra money. so this and some of those private schools are going to have to close. >> so there may be a few on the margins, may have to close. the vast majority on the margins will continue. >> this is the report from this independent body. >> it's a school. it's a group. it's the group who promote 1300 private schools. it's not an independent body. it's a body of independent body. it's a body of independent schools that wants that wants to, wants it. this is politics of envy. >> and, you know, the politics of envy. >> it is . we'll discuss that >> it is. we'll discuss that more. and what are your thoughts? gb views gb news. com coming up royal roundup with angela levin. but next it's time for the great british debate. i'm asking does starmer's immigration plan get your vote? the poll is up now on asking you that very question. does starmer's immigration plan get your vote? get in touch @gbnews com forward slash your say or go via twitter @gbnews. that's on the

good afternoon. 21. after. for this is gb news. i'm nana akua. remember, you can stream the show live on youtube. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, does starmer's immigration plan get your vote? this week, sir keir unveiled labour's plans to use new counter—terrorism powers to tackle people smuggling gangs. i feel i've heard this before. he was speaking to almost two about almost since he was speaking. sorry, almost 200 migrants were arriving in the uk after crossing the channel that day. he's proposed that he could have created an elite border security command. >> britain can do better. labour will do better. we will end this farce. we will restore serious government to our borders. tackle this problem at source and replace the rwanda policy permanently. today we launch our plan to do that. a new approach to small boat crossings that will secure britain's borders, prevent the exploitation by tackling it upstream and smash

the criminal smuggling gangs. >> and as the first step in this plan, a new manifesto commitment his border security command. >> but will any of it work ? so >> but will any of it work? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, does sir keir starmer's immigration get your immigration plan, get your vote? joining me, former labour minister denis macshane ben habib, deputy leader of reform, former labour mp bill rammell and also former adviser to michael gove. charlie rowley right, so i'm going to start with, let's see what we got . i'm with, let's see what we got. i'm going to start with charlie rowley charlie rowley , well, i rowley charlie rowley, well, i don't think anybody will be rushing to the labour party to give them a vote of confidence that they will actually tackle this problem and getting rid of the rwanda policy. >> whatever you think about the random policy, is a deterrent. and we've already heard from the irish government that, you know, people are moving from the north to the south because they don't want to go to rwanda all of the things that sir keir starmer was saying yesterday are things that the government is already doing . the government is already doing. >> what we need to do is make

sure to stop those boats coming over that you have those returns agreements. what we've got with albanian, 90% of albanians that came to this country illegally have already been returned. but we also just need the partnership that we have with the french authorities, of which we've given a lot of money to, to keep up their bargain of the deal >> okay, let's go to denis macshane. denis macshane . macshane. denis macshane. >> well, very simply, ryan isn't going to work, period . there's going to work, period. there's one guy who's been given ,3,000 or pounds to go back. he's since scarper . ed, this is such boondoggle. >> well , hold boondoggle. >> well, hold on, you just mentioning him. what about the southern ireland? the republic of ireland situation? >> well, those are those are people who've gone into southern ireland can can be returned back i >> -- >> no, no, no, they went there because they didn't want any chance of being sent to rwanda. so if you're going to quote the one guy, i'm just giving you some more quotes from people. >> i have read this in the papers. there's constant traffic because we have no border in northern ireland. we have no border between northern ireland and the republic for very good reason. called the good friday peace agreements, which should be very, very careful before we

start playing games. >> it's not games. i'm just telling you something. no no no no no, hold on, hold on. sorry hold on. that's not a game, denis, they have reported in the repubuc denis, they have reported in the republic of ireland that people are crossing the border. so coming in to the republic because they're afraid of the rwanda plan. look, it's just a fact. it's not a game. >> there's a huge. there's a new nationalist, frankly racist, whites only movement growing in ireland. the new prime minister, the brand new prime minister, did mention he wanted to return all people arriving from northern ireland, british ireland, the province of the six counties of northern ireland, british ireland back across the border and his own advisors told him you're talking nuts. and rishi sunak said to him, you're talking nuts. so this is actually irrelevant. what we it is irrelevant. >> i'm not quite sure where we're going. >> what we what we do know is, is that we have utterly failed to deal with any asylum applications lie—ins that we know this. >> everybody, like you said , >> everybody, like you said, like you said, everyone knows this. what's your point? quickly, dennis, because i need to bring the others in.

>> sorry if it's a bit complicated, starmer said he's going to put 1000 people in to deal with your applications. he's going to put in people with military experience, curdles . military experience, curdles. >> general, we've already got all that, though you have. we have got nobody. >> the border force is underwhelmed. >> he'll still need underfinanced. >> all right. if you don't want to do it, don't do it. rwanda isn't going to work. >> but ben habib well, it's not it's not going to work because as you rightly say, gnaana the forces that he wishes to bring together the crown prosecution service, the m15 , border, service, the m15, border, immigration, immigration enforcement and the national crime agency, they already exist and they already do the best that they can to bust to the extent that it's able to discuss, to bust up the people smuggling gangs. >> but the big point is this the people smuggling gangs aren't based in the united kingdom, they're based in europe. and the europeans have had their own terrific go at trying to bust them. but for reasons that are not clear , have been entirely not clear, have been entirely unable to do it. so his central

plank simply doesn't work. and one of the one of the best things that the conservative government has done, that it hasn't done many great things. one of the best things it did in the illegal migration act was to make it illegal for anyone , make make it illegal for anyone, make it impossible, or rather, sorry for anyone entering the country , for anyone entering the country, illegal to apply for asylum and another plank of keir starmer's plan is to repeal that law , so plan is to repeal that law, so that people coming across the channel would be would have the right to gain asylum in the uk. >> and that is like a green flag to would be people smugglers. >> well, exactly . >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> and would be illegal migrants. >> so his plan simply does not work. >> both what both the conservatives and the labour party have failed to grasp is that border control is about controlling your borders. it is a physical process and we need to do what the belgians did, which which is to develop a specialised force. >> that is, you're beginning to sound like him now. no, no, you're sounding like him now. it

sounds like the same thing. >> the belgians , the belgians, >> the belgians, the belgians, the belgians had a physical border force put in place. >> actually, the border sensors. yeah >> and they turned back 92% el—sisi. >> that's probably more real if you really want to do that, then that's what will deter people from actually paying people smugglers and actually ruin the model. bill rammell. sorry, bill. >> well let's compare like with like the rwanda scheme is not a deterrent. you know, it's going to take 300 years to clear the backlog. >> it's colossally expensive, expensive, doubling the amount of money we're spending on asylum seekers. >> this plan, which is about, police, criminal counter—terrorism cooperation involving the security services can be effective, can really be a deterrent . a deterrent. >> linked with it is as effectively coming back into the dubun effectively coming back into the dublin convention as well so that you return asylum seekers to the first european country that they enter. it's practical, it's sensible .

it's sensible. >> and, you know, look at what happened when we last used these kind of mechanisms. >> when we last used it, i think we only sent about 32 people using the dublin convention over many, many years. it wasn't really didn't hold on. >> nana let's look at the reality. and dennis and i were ministers in the last labour government in 2005, 2010. we significantly reduced the number of asylum seekers coming to this country. the level was two thirds. >> was the part of tony blair's plan that we're in this situation , charlie, isn't it situation, charlie, isn't it part of some of the things that tony blair set up? that's why we're here in this mess at the moment. >> well, tuc and it strikes me that, you know, we heard over i think it was over christmas . you think it was over christmas. you know, tony blair thought of something similar, a similar policy like this to sort of stop migrants coming in. i think it was just an aisle of the, of silly or scotland or something like that. so the idea that rwanda is some sort of, you know, totally, you know, cooked up crazed policy, it's something that labour party considered under tony blair because the problem was going to be so great. now there have been problems, obviously, successive failures in terms of trying to

tackle those numbers. but i just, you know, push back slightly on what bill was saying because, you know, rwanda is the most toughest bit of legislation that that has been passed through. it's under rishi sunak that's been able to do that. it's been thwarted and blocked at every given opportunity by the labour party . it's coming the labour party. it's coming into effect, hopefully, as the prime minister would want in 10 to 12 weeks time, when those first flights will take off, and then you will start to see even more , an even greater, i should more, an even greater, i should say, decrease in the numbers of people coming into this country because of rwanda up and running, because it will be a deterrent. i can't possibly believe anybody thinks that coming into the uk, where we are currently and have been for too long, perhaps a soft touch will want to come into this country knowing full well that the prospect may be that you'd be deported to rwanda. it's only through that scheme that will deter people coming into the country. >> well, i mean, charlie , >> well, i mean, charlie, charlie, the projected rate, you've got a 1% chance of being sent to rwanda. >> you know, for people travelling halfway across the world, that is simply not a deterrent , i think. isn't that a

deterrent, i think. isn't that a colossal waste of money? >> that's slightly disingenuous, because it's a beginning of this. it's not a total number of how many people it's an opening, but it's also part of a sorry, let me finish. it's also part of an overall plan using what we already have. so because we will need somewhere to send people who fail asylum, we need a third country. so what are you proposing, bill? where will you send a failed asylum seeker if you can't go back? yeah, but if they can't, some of them can't go back. some of them can't go back. hang on. some of them can't go back to their home countries. that's the point. that's why you need a third country. >> no no, no. if they can't go back, they're likely to be fleeing for their lives and fleeing for their lives and fleeing from failed asylum seekers failed . and they and seekers failed. and they and they would be successful in their applications, failed asylum seekers. >> there's many of them who hang aboutin >> there's many of them who hang about in this country. some of them even committing crimes, and we can't send them anywhere. you by this plan, we've got some elite border force that will supposedly stop these people,

send them to the orkney islands or the shetland islands a lot cheapen or the shetland islands a lot cheaper. do the people. what about the people in the orkney? ihave about the people in the orkney? i have a word with people in orkney and shetland. see what they have to say about it. >> there is also no disaster under people. well, the rwanda, they're being welcoming and they're being welcoming and they're they're not a dictatorship, a dictatorship . dictatorship, a dictatorship. this is not a human rights organisation. there is there is no solution. it is not a democracy. do we give up that bit of the myth? >> at least it's not a myth. okay, let's have a yes or no . okay, let's have a yes or no. okay. so i've got i've got to run to the news. i would really want to talk to you guys forever, but i can't. i'm sure the viewers want to hear more, but it's a yes or no then. so i'm going to start with you, bill. does keir starmer's immigration plan get your vote yes or no? yes. ben habib yes or no? >> absolutely no. it's rubbish . >> absolutely no. it's rubbish. >> absolutely no. it's rubbish. >> charlie rowley yes or no? no. and, denis macshane . and, denis macshane. >> yes. >> yes. right. >> yes. right. so >> yes. right. so that's >> yes. right. so that's even stevens. well, i cast mine. no, i'll leave it to you at home. thank you so much for your thoughts. lovely to have you. denis macshane. ben habib, bill rammell and also charlie peters. great to have your company. right. so what do you think at

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tonight's grand final. but it is still a large presence , marching still a large presence, marching throughout this city and taking over the main streets. we've heard many of the same chants you would have heard in the pro—palestine demonstrations in london earlier. when we came to you in the last hour , we were you in the last hour, we were delayed coming on as a group tried to shut down our broadcast, putting flags in their hands in front of our lens as we started to fire up and broadcast live from sweden. one of the protests said that gb news was a fascist network as they put their hands over our camera, but otherwise it's been a peaceful march. some people dressed in military fatigues but otherwise broadly in similar to the protests we've seen in london. and this march comes on the backdrop of chaos for the situation at eurovision tonight. the dutch act was kicked out of and disqualified from the competition earlier today, an

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and this march is continuing. >> speechi will give you further updates after charlie peters. still to come though. my great

right. it's gb news by live on tv. online and on digital radio. 42 minutes after 4:00. it's time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, does sir keir starmer's immigration plan get your vote? joining me to discuss my panellists are author and broadcaster lizzie cundy and also matthew lewis, a former labour party adviser lizzie cundy. >> well, i'm going to call you now, sir keir cancel, because, it's a change. cancelling everything now. including rwanda. but actually it's no sort of like shock because i think at birth his charisma was cancelled. i'm sorry to say that. look, this is really stupid of him. absolutely stupid to say that he's cancelling rwanda. this is the only

deterrent . and now the criminals deterrent. and now the criminals are going to be coming in their tens and thousands because they're. no, there's nothing , they're. no, there's nothing, you know, it's going to be done about it. matthew laza. and it was a deterrent. yeah. >> no, i think it's a very sensible plan that he's laid out. rwanda is a complete red herring, it's, so far not a single person has been sent to rwanda. one person has. hang on forcibly . one person has gone forcibly. one person has gone voluntarily. yes. it costs three grand. it's going to cost £3 million. a person, a normal thing. you've got a 99% charge chance of not being sent to rwanda. what we actually need to do is, is, is take much more effective action against the criminal gangs to prevent people from coming here. we haven't because we're not using anti—terror legislation. so one of the things they can do is they can bring in the serious crime prevention orders, which means that you can, you can. did you see patrick christys interviewed? >> did he see the interview with the migrants ? and they said the migrants? and they said they're all scared of rwanda. >> this shows nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voice. their opportunity to be on. tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. should we go to? where should we go?

>> oh, the west country, west of england. >> time for the map. i love this i was gonna bristol, and lee harris . he i was gonna bristol, and lee harris. he needs to be brief. lee harris absolutely not. >> nana in my view. and keir starmer is a human political weathervane. his so—called plan is mostly just repackaged stuff, you know, that we're doing already. it's complete nonsense . already. it's complete nonsense. you know, with labour, especially keir starmer, you have to completely ignore what he says and watch closely what he says and watch closely what he does. i find it almost insulting that he has the nerve to stand at a podium and try and tell us he wants to be strong and border control and stopping the boats. after what we've seen from him. the labour party have consistently voted against every single measure to try and stop the boats. he campaigned to stop deportation flights. if he had his way, we'd be back in the eu. he's surrounded by mps who just call everyone racist, who wants to have a sensible conversation about border control, you know? and he said he wants to stop the rwanda plan. >> i think it's madness to be completely mad. matthew laza phone going off. there was some weird science, outrageous shoaib

bashir i'm getting in the groove for the next debate. lee harris, thank you so much for your thoughts. as succinct as ever, the brilliantly harris, that great british voice. next, andrew levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls and my royal roundup.

good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and there is always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and every saturday, i love to give you a rundown and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin ? so, angela, harry, angela levin? so, angela, harry, he's back for a short while . he's back for a short while. he's probably gone back now. he's probably gone back now. he's not there. >> yes, he has been awful . well, >> yes, he has been awful. well, yeah, i think he's been rude to his father and using, you know, invictus games to just make him more famous and make him more money. i think it's absolutely

terrible. and i've been watching today he and meghan, out in africa and i could barely believe my eyes. really, it is . believe my eyes. really, it is. it's so phoney and awful. and i mean, you don't mind really what people clothes, people wear, but if you go to a school, a very quiet school that is a religious one of muslims, you don't go with a dress that's absolutely no backing to it at all. i think that's really . that's really. >> yeah. because a lot of those you have to cover your shoulders. yes in a lot of those countries, or if you do anything because i've done tv shows in, in that sort of environment, you have to cover your shoulders. yes >> and it doesn't mean anything. you just do it. you just do it and you behave very well. and i thought, you know, just coming down the side of your is absolutely awful. and she was very rude because one of the teachers was talking to her and there were two little girls there were two little girls there sort of joining in sort of, you know, politely. and she

obviously was bored . she went, obviously was bored. she went, looked up in the air and looked around, and she said hi. and she then sort of pulled harry as she usually does, because she was bored with that. she wanted someone who could then take nice pictures of her and harry. and you think , my goodness, where you think, my goodness, where are your manners? where are your manners ? manners? >> she might just argue that she was just being normal herself and just, you know, i don't think she's never normal herself when she. >> well , she when she. >> well, she might be she might argue that's what she's doing. yes >> you know, they're also it's their charity, wasn't it? one of their, charity that they've given money to from their, organisation, from their archewell . i think they gave archewell. i think they gave them 20 grand or something. >> yes, but william and catherine gave much more. so you can't just say it's their game. and i think, well, i've lots of the people from the invictus games have said to me it's now become just a meghan markle show. you know, it's about presenting her. and i think it's a big shame. harry went to see some wounded soldiers there, but

he wasn't like his mother. i think he was trying to copy his mother, but he didn't have that softness or that keenness and he said to someone who had a just one leg, he said, oh, well, give it a name. he said. one leg, he said, oh, well, give it a name. he said . and i it a name. he said. and i thought that, you know, there's things like that which you pick up and just inappropriate and very sad that it should be so difficult. as for king charles, i think he's amazing. i mean, he's scurrying around as much as possible as he's had the thing that he can go, he's actually going incredibly fast, doing 2 or 3 things in one day. and, when somebody said, how are you? he says, oh, not that bad. and that worried me slightly because he should have said, oh, great, fine. doing brilliantly, but he said as well that thank goodness they've let me out. they've unlocked the door. i can get out. and you see how desperately he wants to be with us, with the people, and that it makes a very big difference to him. and i'm

sure that will help him cure himself. because if you really are happy and you really want to be, out and about and what you're used to be doing, then it helps the medicine to work and you want to go along all good energy makes the medicine go round. but queen camilla is quite interesting because the first thing he did was a huge garden party with 8000 people, which is quite a lot. often he tries to get through everyone, but he didn't. this time. i was pleased to know he was desperate now rather than to. and she kept slightly pushing him on the on the back when there was enough to go. and i thought she was so subtle about it. no pulling, no holding hands and dragging it just a little tap. and he moved on. it was very sweet. it was very it was very, very sweet . very it was very, very sweet. and i hope that he will continue to get well and better and that he can, you know , enjoy it he can, you know, enjoy it really well. whereas camilla is having a lovely time because she

was she has a charity that was celebrating its 90th year for horses , ponies and donkeys, and horses, ponies and donkeys, and she's been a member of that for a very long time. and and she ianed a very long time. and and she invited some of these animals to come and have a sleepover in buckingham palace . and she was buckingham palace. and she was absolutely thrilled that they'd come. she'd got her food ready . come. she'd got her food ready. she's got a knack. and all the animals came up to her, you know, the donkeys, and let her stroke them. i just think it's very touching. and she does it all very subtly. she's working incredibly hard every day. there's something she's doing because i think she wants to keep the motive, motivation in there, but when you see her with animals , you see somebody who's animals, you see somebody who's really keen of looking after them and doing well. so when she started at this charity, the brook, there was just animals who'd had been deserted and were really in the most terrible , really in the most terrible, terrible state. and so she immediately became involved in

it and helped them all get much better and have a better life. lovely. very nice , very nice. lovely. very nice, very nice. >> little. >> little. >> very nice. >> very nice. >> it's nice to see them. the royal family, a lot of people are saying, though, that it was, charles who didn't find time for, harry. is that the way round it was or was it? >> no. well, the palace has said they don't recall having any request. oh number one. number two, i think because he had a lot to do after the garden party, had to see the prime minister, and i think he would probably be exhausted. and he's got to be very careful . and i got to be very careful. and i think that if harry's going to go in and make demands and be angry, then he doesn't want that. he doesn't need that sort of aggression. and i think that it's true . if harry had said, it's true. if harry had said, when would be a good time for you, that might have been much better than him saying, you've got to see me now. >> angela levin, thank you very much for that piece of information. a lot of people are saying it's the other way round,

but if the palace is saying they never even got any sort of requests, then that's a bit, that's a bit unfair of the reporting, but thank you very much, angela. really good to talk to you. that is, of course, royal biographer angela levin . royal biographer angela levin. we'll stay tuned. if you've just joined me, this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, my great british debate. but next it's great british debate. but next wsfime great british debate. but next it's time for this week's difficult conversation with haj ghali, former gambling addict and mental health advocate. he'll be live in the studio first. let's get an update with your weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. we're looking ahead to the rest of this weekend. a change is in store. we start to say goodbye to this area of high pressure, and low pressure begins to take charge as we head towards next week. but back to the here and now. we still have some fairly fine and settled weather as we

end at saturday. so a pleasant end at saturday. so a pleasant end to the day. some low cloud and mist just moving in from the east. but for many it's another fairly good chance to see the northern lights tonight, especially across more northern parts of the country. and for all of us, it's going to be a fairly mild night, most towns and cities staying firmly in double figures. so we do start off sunday with some low cloud and some mist across the east that will gradually burn its way back towards the north sea. elsewhere, plenty of sunshine as we go through the course of the morning and then into the afternoon. we start to see some scattered showers develop, and these will then turn quite thundery and heavy in places. there are warnings in force from the met office as we go through the met office as we go through the course of tomorrow . so do the course of tomorrow. so do watch out if you are travelling about but in the sunshine . highs about but in the sunshine. highs reaching 26 or 27 degrees now as we move into next week we start to see low pressure take charge. this band of rain will move in dunng this band of rain will move in during the course of monday across the southwest, giving a very wet picture here. elsewhere, a mixture of sunny

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well -- well . well. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. so coming up, my difficult conversation, i'll be speaking to an inspirational champion . i've got loads still champion. i've got loads still to come as well. we'll be discussing eurovision and going live to charlie peters in sweden. plus i've got a wonderful clip bait for you, a glimpse of the sky at night dunng glimpse of the sky at night during that fabulous northern lights that happened last night.

and apparently it's more happening tonight. but first, let your latest news headlines . let your latest news headlines. >> hi there. it's 5:00. it's aaron armstrong here with the latest news headlines. let's start with eurovision. the netherlands entry has been disqualified from the grand final of the song contest. the european broadcasting union says us klein will not compete while swedish police investigate a complaint of inappropriate behaviour by a female member of the production crew. meanwhile, security has been stepped up in malmo, the city hosting the event ahead of tonight's show. pro—palestinian protests through the city are continuing. these people are on their way to the venue that will host the song contest later . now demonstrators contest later. now demonstrators are rallying against israel's participate in the event. the country's entry, eden golan, has qualified for tonight's show. she's amongst the leading contenders to win, but bookmakers have made croatia's

baby lasagna as the favourite. let's hear from some of the fans and what they think of the protests and the event. i think it's great that they have that the ebu didn't, they didn't back down cowardly from the protesters and they included israel and let and didn't like tamper with votes or anything. >> they let them through the final i understand it. >> i personally disagree with their involvement and a lot of their involvement and a lot of the stuff that's happened in the past 24 hours, generally in eurovision , like with the eurovision, like with the possible disqualification of the dutch representative or the videos coming out from inside the arena in general, it has become a bit too much. we're here to enjoy the stuff, bambi is here to enjoy it and we're not bringing politics into it. >> i'm not particularly political, so i tend to stay out of it, and i think a competition like this, it's about bringing people together, not, you know, trying to cause a lot of diversity. so, you know, i'm sorry, division, you know, i just don't think that's the right kind of attitude to have about eurovision. we have managed to avoid most of anything that's going on.

>> and i think, to be fair, it's been a little bit exaggerated by broadcasting nothing against you guys. >> the israeli army has ordered new evacuation orders for various parts of the gaza strip. as it expands its military operation. more neighbourhoods in rafah have been told to move to so—called humanitarian areas. in the west, some 300,000 palestinian jews have already left, but israeli forces have also told residents in northern gaza to evacuate , prompting gaza to evacuate, prompting fears of an assault on two fronts. the un says food in the south of gaza is likely to run out today . the uk and its allies out today. the uk and its allies have warned israel against carrying out a military offensive in rafah . a 17 year offensive in rafah. a 17 year old boy has died after getting into trouble while swimming in the town of wellingborough. ronalds abbey was found in the water by rescue crews yesterday after reports he got into difficulty in open water at the embankment . northamptonshire embankment. northamptonshire police say it was a tragic incident and ronalds family have

requested privacy at this very distressing time. two men have been arrested on suspicion of murder after two women died in a house fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. a west midlands fire service say three other people were injured and taken to hospital . a sixth taken to hospital. a sixth person was discharged at the scene. meanwhile a police officer has been shot has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire. the officer was responding to reports of a stabbing in high wycombe last night. a 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and was shot by an armed officer. he's now in hospital under supervision with potentially life threatening injuries. thames valley police have confirmed the man, who was shot , though, has since been shot, though, has since been discharged from hospital . discharged from hospital. drivers are being warned to only travel on the m25 in surrey if absolutely necessary. it follows an unprecedented closure of the motorway, with five miles

between junctions nine and ten closed to traffic until 6 am. on monday. it's created a 19 mile diversion which is causing delays . it's the first scheduled delays. it's the first scheduled daytime shutdown of all lanes on the motorway since it opened in 1986. authorities in ibiza and mallorca have issued a new booze ban in an effort to crack down on what they call excessive tourism. the sale of alcohol in shops and off licences will be banned from 930 in the evening until 8 am. in popular hotspots like magaluf , playa de palma and like magaluf, playa de palma and sant antoni. there will also be further restrictions on party boats. it's all in an attempt to crack down on anti—social behaviour and booze fuelled holidays following complaints from locals. those who break the law could be fined up to £1,400. and don't worry if you missed the northern lights lighting up the northern lights lighting up the sky across britain last night because they could return later. one of the strongest geomagnetic storms for years is hitting the planet . its caused hitting the planet. its caused by charged particles hitting the

different gases in the atmosphere. they're normally only seen in the far north of the uk, but you can probably see them across most parts of the uk a little bit later tonight. from half ten, i understand, is the best time . for the latest on all best time. for the latest on all of our stories , scan the qr code of our stories, scan the qr code on your screen that will give you gb news alerts, details are also on the website. back to . nana. >> thank you. aaron. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today, it's broadcaster and author lizzie cundy. and also a former

adviser to the labour party. matthew laza still to come. my difficult conversation today is with hard, galloway now as he talks about his inspirational journey. it's all about overcoming gambling and becoming a mental health advocate. stay tuned . you will not want to miss tuned. you will not want to miss his story then for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking should israel be included in eurovision ? as protesters in eurovision? as protesters storm malmo in sweden, the site of tonight's grand final, has the contest become too politicised and aslef? who can get in touch? email gbviews@gbnews.com. or why not go to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews . right. so tweet me @gbnews. right. so it's time for this week's difficult conversations . now imagine time for this week's difficult conversations. now imagine being secretly addicted , knowing that secretly addicted, knowing that it was costing you thousands and thousands of pounds, damaging your mental health and the relationships, and also feeling like you couldn't actually

escape very harrowing stuff. now, my next guest not only overcame these momentous challenges, he's now a passionate campaigner for recovery and championing of uplifting others . i'm joined now uplifting others. i'm joined now in the studio by haj ali haj. thank you very much for joining me. what fabulous skin you have. thank you very much. i suddenly noficed thank you very much. i suddenly noticed it. >> it must be the vitamin d. >> it must be the vitamin d. >> it must be, it must be. oh, talk to me about your story then. how did you come to be addicted ? have you always been addicted? have you always been somebody who likes gambling and found always been addicted to it? how did that. >> well, no, my sort of growing up. >> i've come from a traditional household, so from a south asian communities, i was always told to go to school, get an education and hopefully get a good degree, which then goes on to a great job. >> so it sort of happened shortly after university when a friend of mine sort of said to myself, you know, let's carry on the party and we actually ended up in a casino because that's where they give you free food and some free drinks. >> yeah, i didn't know why, but now i know now. >> so what happened was i got into this casino and as i went

down to, you know, i remember all the bright lights . i could all the bright lights. i could hear the hustle and bustle. >> i could hear people laughing. >> i could hear people laughing. >> and there's a whole different atmosphere compared to anything i've experienced. and i remember my friend sitting down at the blackjack table and watching on, and i saw them, you know, making and i saw them, you know, making a bit of money. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but then they said to me, why don't you take a seat with us? >> and it was at that moment where they said, well, put £20 in. and they were sort of showing me how to play blackjack, i didn't know. and then what about sort of 30, 40 minutes, what turned from £20 went to £60. >> and in my eyes i was like, this is free money. >> and what led to that was i sort of went to casinos every week and then it went to sort of twice, three times a week. and then it went to being there every day. >> wow. now were you going to the same casinos all the time or was it just different ones? >> it was different ones where i could i would try different ones to try my different luck. but then i realised that going to casino was maybe a bit too far. so i ended up going to the bookmakers because i found that

a lot easier. okay, there'll be days where i'd be at the bookmakers first, depending if i'd won or lost, then i'd go to casino . to be truthful with you, casino. to be truthful with you, the longest time i've actually spentin the longest time i've actually spent in a casino in one sitting was 48 hours. >> wow. two days, two days. and did you lose money? presumably everyone loses money, right? yeah. >> so over the course of 12 years. >> so from 2009, when i started up until june 2020, i lost £250,000 to my gambling addiction. >> my god. and how are you managing to cope with that? that's a debt round your neck, right? or are you paying it all? well, to be fair, i've been quite fortunate on this side of it where i've been now debt free. >> so i've been able to pay those debts off by selling off assets, selling , you know, assets, selling, you know, looking at mortgaging my remortgaging my properties, you know , speaking to friends, know, speaking to friends, helping me. but ultimately, it had to come down to the most difficult conversation at. and here's the truth. >> when you talk about gambling

addiction, it's so hard because as a man, i've always been told from a such a young age to be quiet, man up, big boys, don't cry . cry. >> so i've never been shown how to emotionally emote . so when i to emotionally emote. so when i wanted to come out about this, i always felt a lot of shame because there's a lot of negative stigmas around. >> there's a lot of taboo around this. >> and to layer on that, especially in the sikh community and the south asian community, it's almost a situation which is if you talk about anything like gambling, you're almost ostracised or shunned from the community. and the worst part was i was a people pleaser and if anyone didn't like me, i would just feel so embarrassed i'd do anything in my power. so to maybe not talk about what's happening, it's better to be quiet. so that's what was happening. that happened for 12 years. >> and what about your your family ? because presumably family? because presumably you're married. have you got children? >> yeah. so i've got two children now. and it was, so i met my wife in 2012 on a flight back from new york. we got

married in 2014. we had a first child in 2017, and it was in june 2020, where her suspicions around money, you know, why are we not going out? why are we not going to a restaurant? why are we not booking these holidays? also, there's these late payments. so there's all these little suspicions that came about and the exact date where everything unfolded was on the 16th of june, 2020. and remember, we've just gone mid—pandemic. we had beautiful weather like today and it was about 8:00 in the morning. i gave my two year old in his room playing, and i walked into my room and there it was. you know, i saw my wife sitting on the bed, but this was a different type of cry . i've never seen her type of cry. i've never seen her cw type of cry. i've never seen her cry like this. and if anyone has seen my wife, she's a beautiful, strong woman. and for her to be like this before i asked her what's wrong , my heart like this before i asked her what's wrong, my heart dropped to my stomach because she was holding my phone and up until that point i told so many lies, you know? what have i lied about ? what she found, how she found

out about the gambling, how she found out about other different things, and then that's it. she just turned the phone round, everything in black and white, because she had accessed my onune because she had accessed my online bank account. wow the hard thing with that is , if i'm hard thing with that is, if i'm being honest for so long, i was hiding something from someone. and this person had always had my best interest, loved me, supported me through thick and thin. and i remember her saying to me, right, that's it, we're done. pack your bags. go. and for so long i'd been chasing a jackpot, not realising that jackpot, not realising that jackpot was sat in front of me. and not only to add to that, we've just found out as well where we're expecting a second child or in 2021. so not only got that added pressure, i've broken trust . i've given her broken trust. i've given her anxiety, stress, and because of all the lies and because of all the deceits i can remember her

saying to me, well, if we're going to get through this together . and it was actually my together. and it was actually my father in law that helped me and said , well, if we remove the said, well, if we remove the addiction to one side, he's a great person. so what we need to do is give him some support. so who do i reach out to? so i remember, i remember speaking to my wife, i go, who do i ask for help ? and my first thought was help? and my first thought was my family. my parents, my brothers, friends and family . brothers, friends and family. but shame and guilt kicks in. what would they think of me? are they going to think worse of me? are they going to love me? are they going to support me? do they going to support me? do they know how to support me ? and they know how to support me? and i almost as a man, nearly let my ego get the better of me. and i almost didn't get the help . almost didn't get the help. >> thank god you did. thank god you did. so your advice to somebody who is watching you and heanng somebody who is watching you and hearing you, because there'll be people out there who have are going through what you're going through. there'll be parents or even partners who probably know

their partner is involved or , their partner is involved or, you know, getting getting into debtin you know, getting getting into debt in this way. what would you say would be the first thing that you would give, say to them ? >> 7- >> the first ? >> the first thing i would say is for every action, there's a consequence, whether that's on your physical health, your mental health, your finances, and the people around you are also affected by this, by this horrendous disease . so all horrendous disease. so all i would say is put any fear of judgement to one side. yeah. and just pick up a phone. there's the national gambling helpline . the national gambling helpline. there's so many different ways that you can get support and those people are going to listen to you. and the great thing with this is that because they don't know you, you can be as honest, as truthful as possible, because if you're lying to these people effectively, you're just lying about the amount of help and support that you can get. >> yeah, exactly. and are you overit >> yeah, exactly. and are you over it now then? and are you always an addict to this? >> so i'll tell you what happened to me. so the reason

where i was able to catapult or change my life was that history of gambling nearly killed me. because it took me to an even darker place. even my wife finding out, you know, on the 18th of august, you know, i attempted the unthinkable. and fortunately for me, right now, i'm on the other side. so, yes, i'm on the other side. so, yes, i do get moments because i have to remember it's like a relationship i can't forget my first. i can't forget that part of my life. but what i can do is look at it and say, what did it teach me? what can i learn from this? what can i then use this information and guidance to support someone else? and this is what i've been doing. the more i speak up about this, because ultimately the reason i talk about this is because i want to be a voice for those that are suffering in silence, because that's what's happening. >> well, if people want to find out more about what you're doing in the work you're currently, i know that you're doing work with an organisation, aren't you? you're speaking out about this. so where can people find you ? so where can people find you? >> so there's a couple of places. so one, you can find me on my socials , which is very

on my socials, which is very simple. google or go to a charity . my charity which is red charity. my charity which is red card gambling support. or just card gambling support. orjust reach out to the national gambling helpline because they are nationwide. you can just pick up the phone, you can speak to them 24 over seven, and then they can point you in the right direction to support you and get the help that you need. >> thank you so much for talking to me. it's a serious problem and one that people don't really want to talk about when it comes to money. people want to sort of sort of brush it under the carpet. so i respect you coming in and giving our viewers your story. >> thank you. thank you very much for having me. >> that, of course, is harsh, gale. well he's coming to speak to us. x gambling addict is a non—executive director for red card gambling. it's a support project, so if you have any issues with regard to gambling, as you said , as you said, the as you said, as you said, the national gambling helpline should be available to you as well. but stay tuned. if you just tuned in, it's coming up to 17 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua next it's time for the great british debate. i'm asking should israel be included in eurovision and the sky becomes a lit up canvas ? stay tuned to lit up canvas? stay tuned to find out more in clickbait.

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hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana. akua is fast approaching 21 minutes after 5:00. it's time now for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, should israel be included in the eurovision now? this year's contest is mired in controversy as israel as entry eden golan has faced a backlash and even reported contempt from the other competitors . she is, the other competitors. she is, however, the second favourite to win and the dutch entry joost klein, already has been disqualified. it's all up for grabs this evening. russia and belarus were kicked out of the competition two years ago, so there is a precedent for protesters demands. however, it

seems israel will be in the grand final tonight. i mean, who are you going to vote for? so the debate this hour, i'm asking, should israel be included in eurovision? well, joining me now is gb news reporter charlie peters to give us a quick update. he's live in sweden, where eurovision will be held tonight. charlie peters . held tonight. charlie peters. crikey. so talk to me, give us an update on what's happening there . there. >> well, we're here in central malmo in the south of sweden, where the march demanding that israel is removed from eurovision tonight has come to its final place for speeches and a gathering on the last section of this march, gb news saw one flag for the pflp. the popular front for the liberation for palestine, an extremely controversial marxist—leninist group in palestine . it's popular group in palestine. it's popular in the west bank and gaza. it opposes both hamas and fatah, the two main groups that have power in the region. but it also is proscribed as a terrorist

organisation by not only the united states , japan and canada, united states, japan and canada, but also by the european union . but also by the european union. and, person i saw waving that flag, i spoke to them and they said that there are many former members of the pflp on this march. today, they were greeted and they have been welcomed along . so quite a controversial along. so quite a controversial inclusion in this march. they're not prescribed in britain, but we have not seen those flags on our marches in london. other than that it was a very common sort of chance that you've heard on many of these other marches across the continent, and in particular in london, where this has been happening every other saturday, of course, since october the 8th, the day after those attacks from hamas. now, this is taking centre stage at the moment in malmo, away from the moment in malmo, away from the eurovision contest , the moment in malmo, away from the eurovision contest, which is in crisis. it's in utter turmoil . earlier today, the dutch act was removed from the competition in an unprecedented decision and in an unprecedented decision and in the last 30 minutes we have had a statement from the dutch broadcaster avrotros, who said that he was making threatening

movements after being repeatedly filmed against his wishes. and thatis filmed against his wishes. and that is about glenn, just the dutch act there, who was under investigation from thursday about an incident involving a female member of the broadcasting team allegedly on thursday evening. he did not participate in any rehearsals yesterday nor today. and we heard earlier this afternoon that he had been permanently disqualified from the competition, bringing down the number of participants to just 25. but at the same time, there's been further drama in there's been further drama in the main malmo arena in the south of the city, away from just the dutch camp. the french act . during just the dutch camp. the french act. during his final just the dutch camp. the french act . during his final rehearsal, act. during his final rehearsal, he paused to deliver a political speech, referring to the motto of eurovision this year united by music, he called for peace , by music, he called for peace, which was widely applauded within the audience, breaking within the audience, breaking with convention for the final rehearsal. we've also seen a

statement from the irish camp bambie thug . they are being, bambie thug. they are being, they have been accusing the israeli broadcaster here of being involved in, in negative comments towards them on their channel. and we've also seen a strange move from norway with the person running . theirjury the person running. theirjury vote has pulled out. so it's chaos here in southern sweden. >> charlie peters, thank you so much, he's there , live in much, he's there, live in sweden. we'll get those updates throughout the evening. right. well, joining me now is time for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and joining me now is stella taxidou i think. got it. have! stella taxidou i think. got it. have i got it right, stella. >> no , but that's all right. >> no, but that's all right. >> no, but that's all right. >> no, but that's all right. >> no worries about it, i'm so jealous of charlie. >> i love eurovision nana. do you like eurovision? you >> listen, i'm sick of the politicisation of it. but what do you think? should israel do? you think they should be attending? >> i think it would be. the reason why i think they should be attending is because i think it would be quite awkward if they didn't. and i think it would reflect on the singer, who is 20 years old. she see herself

here, families from ukraine and latvia, they, they they flee , latvia, they, they they flee, they flee russia and they moved to israel. so they're kind of refugees themselves. and the girls is only 20 years old. it is not your fault. it is not right to hold her responsible for the actions of her government . if you ask her, she government. if you ask her, she may well also not like her own government. she may also not like netanyahu as a lot of young israeli people her age don't like him. but what i would say is , as annoying as the protest is, as annoying as the protest may be, as and as unsavoury as a lot of the actions of the protesters are, and i completely protesters are, and i completely protest their harassment. i think it's disgusting . we have think it's disgusting. we have to consider the context of israel being about to invade rafah, where 1 million, palestinian refugees have sought refuge. now these people have nowhere to go . we know that less nowhere to go. we know that less than a third of hospitals in palestine are not functioning right now. we know that there has been 300% increase in

miscarriages, a third of infants are starving. so as much as i would love to enjoy eurovision and i do think that israel should be allowed to participate because they have given us this amazing previous participations like dana international, all these were good, simpler times, but right now a lot of people are about to die because the singing contest i want to bring in simon gross , simon. oh. he's in simon gross, simon. oh. he's gone. he's not. he's not there. sadly, no, we don't have him yet. well, we're working on simon because he's going to give us a different view. well, let me go to my panel. stella, stay right there , look. the right there, look. the eurovision. what do you think, lizzy? i love, i love eurovision. and this has gone mad , it's a singing contest. i mad, it's a singing contest. i know it's always been a bit political . if one country had political. if one country had fallen out with another, you'd give them nil points, but this is getting out of hand, and it's out of control . and this poor, out of control. and this poor, you know, girl who's singing for israel, she does not deserve this. she's got protests, chanting outside her room all night. she's 21 years old. it's

disgraceful . honestly, this is a disgraceful. honestly, this is a singing contest and i'm really upset about it. and i for one, i love eurovision and i'm covering this evening, but i'm really, really. it's turned into some woke fest and it's becoming something it wasn't. it's supposed to be fun. >> it was supposed to unite people. it's a very divisive thing. >> i mean, i agree with what stella said. i think it's. and lizzie, i mean, i think it's of course it's completely right that israel participates and, you know, it's outrageous to try and pin the sins of the israeli government on the israeli performer any more than you can pin the sins of any other government on, on a on. government on, on a on. >> government on, on a on. >> but they excluded russia, though. yeah, but what's the difference? >> well, they exclude they excluded russia because it invaded ukraine. i mean, at the moment, of course, pretty much every country that's in eurovision is a supporter of israel, has a right to defend itself politically. so that's a different situation . so, i mean, different situation. so, i mean, yes, of course, ultimately it does have to reflect the sort of

geopolitical forces. but at the moment, remember that our governments are in favour of israel being allowed to take action. now, estella said, you know, i think we all want there to be restraint over rafa. we all want aid to get in, but and, you know, unless unless a country is an enemy of europe, as it were, then they they should be included . should be included. >> i think i want to welcome estella still there, because i want to just get her view on the whole thing about genocide, because you're hearing them talk about genocide, which i think is about genocide, which i think is a little bit unfair. stella, if you're still there , what are you're still there, what are your thoughts on the fact that they're saying, oh, it's a genocide? israel are committing genocide. i mean, it's a war, right? so this is specifically targeting palestinian people. they are trying to get ahold of hamas. there's a difference. >> i don't think it matters whether it ends up being legally identified as genocide by international community or not, whether the icj decides that it is a genocide or not. what people care about is the fact that loads of people, loads of innocent people and children are dying right now because for the vast majority of public ethnic cleansing, genocide , they know

cleansing, genocide, they know what these words means in that they mean that a lot of people have died. the legal specificities don't matter to them . what this shows us what them. what this shows us what them. what this shows us what the rafa, the what the, the invasion of rafa shows us is how untenable the israeli government's position is, because you have even president biden, who has been steadfast. >> come on. oh come on, hold on. sorry president biden. sorry, i've got i know . yeah, but he's i've got i know. yeah, but he's saying that they will he's he's he's not really saying he's everyone talks about president biden as though he's a credible figure and as though he's actually saying anything. >> he's president biden's the leader of the free world. >> it's his advisors, president biden's advisors. he told him to say something. >> israel will be will be, will be acting against international humanitarian law if they use the arms that the us sold to them to invade russia, because this is where refugees have. >> it's a it was supposed to be a stellar wait . they're a stellar wait. they're refugees. wait there. i'm going to bring in simon. simon, gross. it's a bit late for him to be saying that now. i'd say. listen, simon. oh, crikey . is listen, simon. oh, crikey. is simon gross? he's actually . when

simon gross? he's actually. when you said you were in drag, i was expecting you to look good. haha 0h, expecting you to look good. haha oh, thanks. how about you just come on stage? >> nana i've literally just come off stage. the makeup is melting now. >> you look great! we love it, simon. so talk to me. what should israel be participating in the eurovision? what's your thoughts on all of this, well , thoughts on all of this, well, first of all, as a jewish man, why should israel not be participating? >> why should any country not be participating, you know, it's eurovision is about entertainment. it's about fun . entertainment. it's about fun. and israel have got a great singer. she's great. and i think it's a good song. and i think just like every other country, israel has fully entitled to be part of eurovision this year. why not? do you think that it's become so overly politicised instead that it should just be about the music ? about the music? >> i think it's as lizzie was just saying, eurovision should be about fun. it should be about entertainment. >> why has it become some sort of political lite debate about a

country entering? >> think about years ago when we had buck spears and brotherhood of man, those great you know, we've just done a show. >> we were celebrating eurovision. people love those songs. >> eurovision is about rejoicing, fun music and having a good time not talking about everything that's going on in the world today. >> it's wrong. >> it's wrong. >> it's wrong. >> i mean, all these protests as well. i mean, let'sjust quickly well. i mean, let's just quickly bnng well. i mean, let's just quickly bring stella back in. stella all these protesters going on in the way they are . it's a bit it's way they are. it's a bit it's absurd, isn't it? it's a bit of absurd, isn't it? it's a bit of a stretch. not because we complain when people protest in a violent way and we say, if only you were protesting in a more peaceful, democratic way. >> yeah. and then when they actually do it, we are not we don't let them because we're saying, oh, eurovision is supposed to be fun and you're ruining our good fun. how else are people supposed to protest at the death of hundreds of thousands of children? for 10,000? >> we shouldn't be protesting about eurovision. >> we should be watching it and enjoying it. >> it's not a protest. it's

about entertainment, about fun. >> so how did south africa, how did people put pressure on south africa to end up? >> i think it's too serious. how can we need to bring it back way , protest the actions of government? >> they do it by by protesting. >> they do it by by protesting. >> yeah, but but but they're not particularly nice about it, are they? they're hanging outside a hotel room. simon >> yeah, well, i mean, yeah , i >> yeah, well, i mean, yeah, i mean, the guy from the netherlands making comments about israel entering and there's been i've heard lots of things. you know, at the end of the day, israel has every right to be part of the eurovision contest song contest. just like greece, just like malta, just like the uk . greece, just like malta, just like the uk. it it's greece, just like malta, just like the uk . it it's a country like the uk. it it's a country i'm proud to be a jewish man. i hate what's going on in the world. but today i'm going to enjoy eurovision and i'm going to rejoice israel and i hope they win. >> okay, brilliant . well, sir >> okay, brilliant. well, sir simon, where is your show? what's it called? because it sounds like fun and you've dressed up for the occasion, so it's only fair that you just.

>> yeah. we're divas. london we're here till the 23rd of june, as you can see, the london eye behind me, hopefully on the thames, every friday, saturday and sunday. it's a fabulous party show. it's about entertainment and having fun. and i think that's what the world needs right now. a bit of fun, a bit of fun. >> simon gross, thank you so much for joining >> simon gross, thank you so much forjoining me. stella. stella. santa skidoo. yes. political commentator. thank you so much. lovely to talk to you there. i got it right, right. if you just tuned in. welcome. where have you been? where? towards the end of the show. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i was asking, should israel be included in eurovision? my panel will be back, but first, let's get your latest . news. latest. news. >> it's 534. i'm aaron armstrong. the final of eurovision will go ahead later without the netherlands, after its singer was axed over a backstage incident. swedish

police are investigating an allegation of intimidation and inappropriate behaviour made by a female member of the production crew. he had been amongst the favourites to win it . separately, ireland's entrant bambie thug missed a dress rehearsal over what they've described as an incident which needed urgent attention from the european broadcast union. tonight's final is taking place against the backdrop of huge pro—palestine demonstrations in the city of malmo. they're protesting against israel's participation there, marching from the city centre to the venue at the moment, israel's entrant, eden golan has qualified for tonight's final, where security has been tightened . 17 year old ronald tightened. 17 year old ronald zabell has died after getting into trouble while swimming in the town of wellingborough . he the town of wellingborough. he was found in the water by rescue crews yesterday after getting into difficulty in open water at the embankment, northamptonshire police say it was a tragic incident and ronald's family have requested privacy at this distressing time . a police

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!i >> !- >> and ! >> and good afternoon. 41 after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. if you just tuned in. where have you been? there's less than 21 minutes to go. i'm nana akua, andifs minutes to go. i'm nana akua, and it's time now for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, should israel be included in eurovision now? this year's contestant is mired in controversy as israel's entry eden golan has faced a backlash and even reports a contempt from the other competitors. i mean, honestly , many protesters honestly, many protesters currently marching in malmo want her banned . russia and belarus her banned. russia and belarus were kicked out of the

competition two years ago, so there is precedent for the protesters demands . but of protesters demands. but of course, russia invaded a sovereign country without provocation . however, it does provocation. however, it does seem that israel will be in the grand final tonight , which i grand final tonight, which i think is a good thing. but what do you think? so the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should israel be included in eurovision? let's see what my panel make of that. joining me now, broadcaster and columnist. lizzie cundy, also former labour party adviser matthew laza right i think who went first last time. >> i don't mind lizzie. yeah. lizzie cundy, who has always got a lot to say . a lot to say. >> well, especially about eurovision because it's something that i always have a party. every year we all dress up, we put names in a hat. i love eurovision and, i feel really sad. what's happening to it now? it's totally changed. i it now? it's totally changed. 1 it's gone all political . it's it's gone all political. it's gone on like a woke fest, our own entry. olly alexander. i can't even watch the performance, you know. >> oh, i like it. >> oh, i like it. >> what? he's hanging in a toilet. >> hanging in a toilet, upside down crotch grabbing, you know,

grinding. >> he knows his audience in terms of your vision. i mean, one of the big things about. >> but it was never that, though, was it? >> i mean, it is a bit too much. it is a long way from boxt boilers. let's put it like that. i mean, i think one of the sad things today is that pretty much every gay bar in britain, which would normally, be screening eurovision, having parties, you know, it's been described variously as the gay olympics or gay christmas are almost all not showing it because they, you know, they want to join the boycott and they accuse israel of pinkwashing. are you using lgbt rights as a to cover what they're doing? so i think that's very sad. well, the thing in sweden were queers for palestine i think organised it now. >> i mean, we all know that those in palestine probably , you those in palestine probably, you know, somebody who is homosexual, probably wouldn't be welcomed in palestine. >> it's not exactly, i can tell you that the palestinian territories are not up there in the international index of lgbt rights. i mean, it's 1 know, i mean, i've been to malmo. i mean, i've been to malmo. i mean, there's a lot of problems in malmo that they should be addressed, never mind the eurovision song contest, the big problems of gang violence and integration. so i just think it's i integration. so i just think it's 1 think it's a real shame.

>> i mean, we all say, though, by the way, that palestinians, you know, oppose people who are gay. >> 93!!- >> no, no, gay. >> no, no, just the government, the government, the hamas government. >> we all want this to war end. we all want this war to end. and it could end this second if hamas were to give the hostages back and there would it would stop, you know, and sadly , look, stop, you know, and sadly, look, we it has always been political eurovision . we lost out to, you eurovision. we lost out to, you know, sam ryder with with giving it to the ukraine. it's always like that. but that's sadly what it is right . it is right. >> well listen, this show's nothing without you and your views. let's welcome some of our great british voices their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got. let's see how many i've got of you. three of you miserable people. right i'm sorry. i'll go do something unusual and start with david barnes, who's in the middle. why not? okay. david berm, you're in watford . you've got about 30s. watford. you've got about 30s. what's your thoughts on this? no, they should not be banned, 1 love the complete cordon of idiots who are protesting about israel forgetting the fact israel forgetting the fact israel were invaded . israel were invaded.

>> i'm guessing that they are holding, hostages as lizzie said, if they release the hostages and lay down their arms, they would be no need to fight. >> and that's the end of the bottom line. >> they do not wish to have a ceasefire. and all these idiots are doing is giving them oxygen for a false cause. >> right. let's go to gareth wyn jones in snowdonia. gareth >> competition. >> competition. >> you know, let's leave these people sing . why are we making people sing. why are we making this political? it's none of our business. let everybody have the opportunity to sing and win . it opportunity to sing and win. it doesn't matter. why are we just getting so involved in it ? getting so involved in it? >> and i think it's quite sad. >> and i think it's quite sad. >> you know, we know the problems are out there and it could get addressed, but the truth is it's a singing competition and we need that freedom of song, of freedom of voice. >> it's supposed to be joy from the tops of their voices. >> it's supposed to be joy . i >> it's supposed to be joy. i mean, it's been hijacked. another thing has been hijacked by this cause. let's go to

miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson, but our miranda richardson, but our miranda richardson. she's there in northamptonshire. miranda, what do you think? hi nana. hi. >> so we're talking about the non—political music competition. yeah, yeah, yeah . you say all yeah, yeah, yeah. you say all the time. it's a non—political music competition. i mean, let's face it, the best thing about eurovision is listening to some of the ropey songs you've ever heard, ever . heard, ever. >> including ours. yeah, exactly. i mean, you know, it's never been apart from bucks fizz, you know , unless, i'll be fizz, you know, unless, i'll be honest, we can give abba a few of those. >> and brotherhood of man, they were good. >> oh, brotherhood of man. see, you know, it's not exactly renowned for giving us some blistering , you know, blistering, you know, performances. it's always been the weird, the wonderful and the quirky. that's the whole point of europe . of europe. >> do you think it's. but it's at home. leave politics at home, miranda richardson, thank you so much, david balme and also gareth wyn jones. it's not idea. thank you so much for your thoughts. right. coming up, my quick quiz, i'll test the panel on some of the stories that have caught my eye. but next it's click, click bait. the northern

lights lit up the skies across britain last night. find out

0h on good afternoon. this is a gb news. where the people's channel. i'm nana akua. it's time now for clip bait . the time now for clip bait. the northern lights lit up the skies across britain last night. usually they're seen in as far as the north of the country and are caused by charged particles in the atmosphere. but last night, the whole country got a glimpse. did any of you get a glimpse? was it? yes >> i'm so sorry. >> no, i didn't, i was in the pub. >> what about you? >> what about you? >> no, i didn't, i was being i sent a message to my friend who was in newcastle who was a geordie, and he looked outside and he was sending me fantastic pictures. but i looked outside and i couldn't see anything. >> no, it's sad because i fell asleep with my cream crackers and cheese, there was one and a half crackers left. i woke up with the dry mouth crackers coughing and i realised, and you miss that on a on a on a once in a lifetime phenomenon. completely missed out. >> that would be a sight for sore eyes, my love. >> don't finish the packet

tonight. >> no, we're gone as well. christ, god help us. i'm glad no one took a picture. anyway, welcome again to my panel. former labour adviser matthew laza and also broadcast on columnist lizzie cundy . right. columnist lizzie cundy. right. so now it's time for my quick fire quiz . the part of the show fire quiz. the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories that are hitting the headlines right now, your buzzer, please. matthew laza and lizzie cundy, your buzzer. right. fantastic and please play along at home. question one. tonight it is the eurovision song contest. but when did the uk last win it? was it a 1976. was it b 1981 or c 1990. matthew laza 1997 tony blair was elected labour government. >> and then we won the eurovision song contest. >> lizzie cundy b 81. it was buckfast 81, she says it was 97. >> 1997 and it was katrina. >> 1997 and it was katrina. >> oh, of course it was . >> oh, of course it was. >> yes, they won with the song i do. yeah, throwaway point . what do. yeah, throwaway point. what was the song called. oh, god. >> lizzie . >> lizzie. >> lizzie. >> but, love, shine a light there you go. >> i gave it ,

there you go. >> i gave it, i was giving it to her one. all right. question two. question two. true or false? despite this being the hottest day of the year so far , hottest day of the year so far, we're expecting a torrential thunderstorm tomorrow. yes i was first. >> you were not. i was . >> you were not. i was. >> your name is being called. >> your name is being called. >> oh, sorry, miss matthew laza. yes. okay >> lizzie cundy. >> lizzie cundy. >> yes, i'll say no. >> it's true . neither of you get >> it's true. neither of you get a point because it was true or false. not yes or no. on a point because it was true or false. not yes or no. oh sorry. it's quite simple. because you're both right. question three a new study has revealed which of these british insults will soon become extinct. is it a prat b plonk or c numpty? lizzie cundy c numpty i think it is c numpty but i'll go for b plonker b blanca. let's see. the answer is all of them. all of them. plonkers numpties number.this used to be in scotland, is it? yeah. >> and i think i've been out with all of them. >> well, yeah. me too. researchers from our perspectus global poll 2000 britons about their favourite insults and found that these words are said to die within a generation.

>> wow, that was a trick question. >> well, yes, it was a question. >> well, yes, it was a question. >> you're still just about in the lead for ukip. >> yes, question for the economy . officially exited recession this week, but how much did the economy grow by? closest answer wins matthew laza. 0.2% lizzie cundy 0.10. i should have gone the other way. 0.6. >> so i knew it was little, but it was a bit sorry that though. >> so i thought you were gonna go the other way. no. matthew laza. you take that. point two. >> you are winning. >> you are winning. >> question five only just. there's one more. question five. there's one more. question five. the national cyber security centre is facing questions about its own defences this week, after the door codes inside its facility were revealed to be. what is it, a. that's right. >> i mean that was taking the mickey. i am so sorry 111 is it 2b1234 or c6969 matthew laza b1234 lizzie cundy b what did he say ? say? >> it isb say? >> it is b but i'll go for a, you go for a. >> the answer is 1234 which is b

very matthew laza you win this one. three one. well done. >> i'll let you do that darling . >> i'll let you do that darling. >> i'll let you do that darling. >> that's for you. >> that's for you. >> you had one answer off the list. >> is that generous offer? yeah. it's not weird that the internal doors inside the london hq of the national cyber security centre. 1234234. >> you couldn't make it up. that's literally they literally didn't make it up. >> no. did they ? that's the >> no. did they? that's the whole point. >> the wi—fi passwords password as well. probably. probably. >> how silly it is. >> how silly it is. >> really ridiculous. absolutely. well, on today's show , i've been asking, does show, i've been asking, does starmer's immigration plan get your vote? and according to our twitter poll, 7.4% of you say yes , 92.6% of you say no. wow yes, 92.6% of you say no. wow well, what a surprise. wow. >> can't blame a lad to try. >> can't blame a lad to try. >> it's a ridiculous plan. ridiculous. it's about as good as a cyber security code. >> i think it's somewhat better than that. and it would make a difference. yes >> what? you think? >> what? you think? >> i'm so sorry, keir starmer. i think he's showing his true

colours. 1 think. i think people remember neil kinnock and he was all cocksure. and then it didn't work for him. >> he's been criticising say one thing for 1995 criticise keir. but i can't get over him falling into the water and that beach stunt at the end of him. thank you so much to my panel author and broadcaster lizzie cundy, and broadcaster lizzie cundy, and also political commentator matthew laszlo. you've been demoted and also a huge thank you to you at home for your company phone went off. i look forward to seeing you tomorrow. same time, same place. the saturday five is up next. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers is sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. we're looking ahead to the rest of this weekend. a change is in store. we start to say goodbye to this area of high pressure, and low pressure begins to take charge as we head towards next week. but back to the here and now . we still have some fairly

now. we still have some fairly fine and settled weather as we end at saturday. so a pleasant end at saturday. so a pleasant end to the day. some low cloud and mist just moving in from the east. but for many it's another fairly good chance to see the northern lights tonight, especially across more northern parts of the country. and for all of us, it's going to be a fairly mild night, most towns and cities staying firmly in double figures. so we do start off sunday with some low cloud and some mist across the east that will gradually burn its way back towards the north sea. elsewhere plenty of sunshine as we go through the course of the morning and then into the afternoon, we start to see some scattered showers develop and these will then turn quite thundery and heavy in places. there are warnings in force from the met office as we go through the met office as we go through the course of tomorrow. so do watch out if you are travelling about, but in the sunshine. highs reaching 26 or 27 degrees now as we move into next week we start to see low pressure take charge . this band of rain will charge. this band of rain will move in during the course of monday across the southwest, giving a very wet picture here. elsewhere, a mixture of sunny

spells and showers. but as we go in towards middle part of the week, temperatures will fall back down to where they should be for the time of year. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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far right? >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. yes, it's that saturday night of the year which is always given over to ridiculous outfits, dodgy dancing and high levels of camp than you get on rupaul's drag race. but if you're not a saturday vie fan, some event called the eurovision song contest is on one of the other channels. neil bucha, as always for benjamin butterworth, he's in yemen on yet another of his climate neutral holidays . but climate neutral holidays. but i'll be in, ben, i hear, as always, and we're joined by the brilliant broadcaster and journalist nichi hodgson and the fantastic political commentator alex armstrong . now you know the alex armstrong. now you know the drill. we each take it in turn to introduce a topic, and then the rest of us weigh in to tell

them why they're completely wrong about