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mandrakes |
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October 09, 2011 02:34:25pm |
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Question about "The Doll Squad" (1973) |
Someone who understands copyright better than me can probably explain this...
"The Doll Squad" (trailer here
http://www.archive.org/details/TheDollSquad-Trailer) was created in 1973.
LOC has a publication date of 1985 and a registration date of 1989. How does this work? Isn't that too long after the initial creation to copyright? When I get the full movie I will check for a copyright date on it and see what it says in the title sequence. I'd love to find out that this is PD so I can use it for a project.
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mandrakes |
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October 10, 2011 04:40:30pm |
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Re: Question about 'The Doll Squad' (1973) |
Let me update this: the film has an opening credit with a "copyright 1973" credit
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billbarstad |
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October 10, 2011 05:46:41pm |
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Re: Question about 'The Doll Squad' (1973) |
For a notice to be valid it needs three things: (1) the word "copyright" and/or its symbol "©"; (2) a year in Roman (MCMLXXIII) or Arabic (1973) numerals; and (3) a name, usually the name of a production company.
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mandrakes |
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October 10, 2011 07:28:41pm |
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Re: Question about 'The Doll Squad' (1973) |
Okay so in this case, the film is labeled with a copyright 1973 label in the opening credits but also has that listing with LOC for a copyright in the eighties.
So is this a matter of there being two versions of the film - one with the copyright 1973 and another later one with a 1983 copyright? I'm still confused. It seems to me like the 1985 copyright can't apply to the copyright 1973 version? Or can it?
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billbarstad |
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October 10, 2011 07:57:55pm |
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Re: Question about 'The Doll Squad' (1973) |
The notice information you posted doesn't meet the requirements for validity. The copyright holder is maintaining that the movie wasn't published until 1985. If you can prove that it was distributed earlier, then the newer copyright isn't valid, and the movie would be PD since it would have been published without proper notice.
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billbarstad |
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October 10, 2011 08:17:58pm |
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Re: Question about 'The Doll Squad' (1973) |
There's no mention of added material in the copyright registration, so it applies to the original movie. There is no copyright for 1973 since the notice isn't valid.
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billbarstad |
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October 09, 2011 05:48:32pm |
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Re: Question about 'The Doll Squad' (1973) |
A movie (or TV show) can be shown without it being published, in the legal sense. Publication is simply
defined as "distribution of copies to the general public with the consent of the author", which my guess is, in this case, means it wasn't sold to a distributor when it was first shown. It went out on videotape, another means of publication, in 1985.
Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: PA0000488608 / 1989-08-29
Title: The Doll Squad / a Ted V. Mikels Film production ; directed and produced by Ted V. Mikels.
Description: 1 videocassette.
Copyright Claimant: Theodore V. Mikels
Date of Creation: 1973
Date of Publication: 1985-09-01
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.
Names: Mikels, Theodore V., 1929-
Ted V. Mikels Film
This post was modified by billbarstad on 2011-10-10 00:48:32
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HektorT |
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October 10, 2011 06:45:15am |
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Re: Question about 'The Doll Squad' (1973) |
Determining "publication" is a little bit different for TV shows and films. For films there is a general consensus that when the film is placed into a distribution exchange it is "published".
For TV shows it is more vague. According to the definition of syndication which is correctly given by the wikipedia reference, a TV show should be published, for the sake of copyright, when it is syndicated. But the courts haven't always agreed with that. In his book "The Public Domain" Steven Fishman says there is no clear answer as to when a TV show has been published or how the courts might rule.
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